• @Eheran
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    51 year ago

    What exactly is “free”?

    • @[email protected]
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      51 year ago

      There’s the explorers / settlers dream: making their own life, independent, away from society.

      There’s the universal basic income dream: all of life’s necessities are taken care of, but you still get to participate in society

      There’s the religious freedom dream: creating a community for people who believe the same things you believe, optionally excluding other people.

      Depending on your definition, or their definition I guess, there are options:

      A. Alaska still is giving out homesteader claims. You just have to live in Alaska and habitize the wilderness

      B. There are a couple terra nullious locations globally, usually dessets, that one could live in.

      C. And then the oceans, it’s difficult to live on an ocean sustainably, but nobody else would be interfering with you other than pirates.

      • @[email protected]
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        1 year ago

        Alaska really, i guess you need to be an American for that but right?

        It appears you lied to me

        Homesteading ended on all federal lands on October 21, 1986. The State of Alaska currently has no homesteading program for its lands.

        • @[email protected]
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          1 year ago

          Lol, im no expert, there was no intention to deceive.

          That’s the example I’m familiar with, but I imagine Russian tundra is also available, and maybe some of the desert regions as well. I haven’t really done research into this, because I like living in society a little too much.

          I believe the pitcorn Islands do welcome people to live there, but that’s a type of isolation that’s even more remote than Alaska

      • @eatthecake
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        21 year ago

        I think you lack imagination. I imagine they want to be the natives rather than supplanting them. Personally i can get by in the society i was born in (and i’m a lucky one) but i still understand that i’m trapped here and dependent with no option of attempting self sufficiency. Im not into libertarianism at all but the situation where uou must make money to live, as opposed to growing/hunting food to live is a bit fucked up. There’s no opt out from society.

        • @alvvayson
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          21 year ago

          Well, nobody is blocking them from joining a native tribe somewhere.

          But those societies tend to have an even higher level of social control than what typical westerns think. And many also had regular skirmishes with bordering tribes back in the day.

          What you are looking for is exactly the “big tract of land recently cleared of dispossed natives”.

          Normally, on earth, there just aren’t big tracts of fertile land free for the taking.

          It only seemed that way for colonials because they didn’t see what the army did the five years before they got the land.

          • @eatthecake
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            21 year ago

            I don’t think whitey can just go join a native tribe but you’re missing my point. There is no land available for anyone to just go and be free. Joining a tribe would not be being free any more than being a part of western society is being free. Maybe though, 2000 years ago, someone could wander off (or be ejected) from their tribe to an isolated spot and be alone, or even start their own tribe.