• @unfreeradical
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    1 year ago

    While I am not finding any reason for concern about actual concepts, I feel the terminology you are using generally would be regarded as unconventional. For example, exploitation is often understood as bound to private property, which is any relationship of private control but social utilization for the same resource or asset.

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      11 year ago

      Unfortunately the reason my terminology seems unconventional is because people have moved away from convention.

      exploitation
      /ˌɛksplɔɪˈteɪʃn/
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      1. the action or fact of treating someone unfairly in order to benefit from their work.

      ‘the exploitation of migrant workers’

      synonyms: taking advantage, making use, abuse of, misuse, ill treatment, unfair treatment, bleeding dry, sucking dry, squeezing, wringing, manipulation, cheating, swindling, fleecing, victimization, enslavement, slavery, oppression, imposing on, preying on, playing on

      1. the action of making use of and benefiting from resources.

      ‘the Bronze Age saw exploitation of gold deposits’

      synonyms: utilization, utilizing, use, making use of, putting to use, making the most of, capitalization on, cashing in on, milking

      • @unfreeradical
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        -11 year ago

        From a standpoint of economics, though, I feel most would understand exploitation as simply the difference in value for negotiated exchange due to a disparity in power, compared to for a relationship of full parity. In the relations of production, it is generally tied to private property, which produces the class disparity embodied in waged labor.

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          Sure, but that difference in value for negotiated exchange exists between any two negotiates. Whether it be worker and employer, or individual and customer.

          The big one is between the existant resources and all life on earth, current and future, and that’s an inevitably unsustainable difference in negotiable exchange.

          • @unfreeradical
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            -11 year ago

            Again, though, exploitation within the wage system is produced by the class antagonisms embodied in private property.

            With private property abolished, and thereby the classes assimilated, everyone will enjoy equity in power.

            In turn, as labor will become free of coercion, it will become free also of exploitation.

            • @LemmysMum
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              11 year ago

              Not quite. Think beyond class antagonism as being between the owner and worker class, and retrofit it to consumer and existor classes.

              As long as resources (existors) are finite exploitation exists because life’s (consumers) consumption limits the potential for other consumer’s consumption. Consumers inevitably must exploit existors for survival, our consumption is temporary and unsustainable, we will consume each other, entropy will claim us all.

              Yes, I understand that goes a bit out of scope of base ‘economics’, but you’re right in saying that doesn’t mean we can’t reach some semblance of inter-human exploitation free society, though that will be something for future generations to enjoy while it lasts.

              • @unfreeradical
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                -11 year ago

                Exploitation is understood as describing effects from social relationships.

                Other terms, such as utilization and extraction, describe processes of humans interacting with inanimate matter, including ecological resources.

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                  Here’s the simplified scenario.

                  There is 100% of resource, I take it all, you have none. I have exploited your weakness and incapacity for survival. You die.

                  This is the selfish survival model.

                  There is 100% of resource, I take it all, you have none. I give you 50% of the resources despite exploiting your weakness and incapacity for survival. We both live.

                  This is the selfless survival model.

                  These are the two base conditions for the continuation of life.

                  • @unfreeradical
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                    -11 year ago

                    The essence of your scenario is the protection of private property.

                    I identified as the overarching objective the abolition of private property.

                    Scarcity of natural resources is intractable, yet we still seek, for the social systems through which they are managed, those that best support our shared objectives.