SPATA, Greece (AP) — In an olive grove on the outskirts of Athens, grower Konstantinos Markou pushes aside the shoots of new growth to reveal the stump of a tree — a roughly 150-year-old specimen, he said, that was among 15 cut down on his neighbor’s land by thieves eager to turn it into money.
They aren’t stealing food to eat. They’re stealing someone else’s livelihood and damaging those trees so much that they could take years to bear fruit again. Some of the trees are being cut down completely, taken away, and sold for firewood. How would you feel if someone stole your only means of providing for yourself and your family? I’m willing to bet you wouldn’t be saying, “oh it isn’t their fault. Unemployment is high. That’s okay that I can’t feed my children anymore.”
I’m not saying they’re stealing them to eat, they’re stealing them to make money to be able to eat.
Freaking hell, people keep talking about the rich being the issue, well that’s what it looks like when you take from them, your can’t eat their money, you sure can buy food with it.
How do you know olive oil farmers are rich? I know a few farmers here in the US and they are not rich. Most of them are barely making it. Most actually work a job on top of farming because farming doesn’t cut it on its own. What if stealing their olive trees breaks them financially? What are they supposed to do then? Go steal someone else’s livelihood? Your logic is fundamentally flawed.
Unemployment is over 10% and was over 20% in 2015, poverty is over 20%, farms are fucking expensive, these people are better off than a big chunk of the population.
So anyone’s who’s even just a little bit better off than you is fair game? If you have a bicycle but your neighbor has two then you can freely steal his bicycle?
In a fair system the neighbor wouldn’t have more than one bike if not everyone can have more than one bike.
Heck, that’s the way children are raised with their siblings but as soon as we reach a certain age it’s like people just forget what they taught their kids for years.
I disagree with that is what we teach kids, we actually teach them essentially the opposite. This helps them, especially when young, to understand why someone else may receive a gift (it’s their birthday) but they do not.
In general, I think that you are in line with Cynicism, but I am unsure how theft fits in to that view. It seems very possible with their general adherence to having as few possessions as possible and a general disregard for shame. We need our Cynic!
Man, good luck managing your children if one of them has a bunch of stuff and the other doesn’t.
Well, that’s true, but that wasn’t what I meant (or said I guess). What I meant is that sometimes we have to wait for gratification, even while others get something we want or need. Relevant to this thread, because the system has broken down/is built in a flawed manner (as you rightly pointed out) many folks have waited, only to never receive gratification.
I wasn’t really trying to call you wrong or anything, just a minor point I guess. This is a challenging situation, I won’t claim to have the right answer!
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Have you ever heard the phrase “golden child”? It’s sadly relatively common for a certain sort of dysfunctional family. Screws up entire lifetimes for people.
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Youve never seen a farm in person, huh
I live next to a bunch of them actually, there’s a crisis because no one can start working in that field because land is too expensive. Farmers are poor in the sense that they don’t make much a year, they’re fucking rich once they sell the land they’ve owned for the past 40 years.
So you are excited that these farmers are now forced to sell to a big corpo farm conglomerate, since their crop has been killed off and wont make ends meet for 3-5 years?
You sound positively giddy about more consolidation of wealth. Like youre eager for more poverty.