I understand all this but I just don’t personally see it as a problem the same way many others seem to. I constantly read comments I strongly disagree with (for example when discussing this topic) and it’s fine. A racist comment here and there doesn’t bother me much. If it’s written in “good faith” but I disagree with it I’ll either downvote or not engage. If it’s just pure hate with no content I block the user and I don’t need to deal with them ever again. I’m an adult capable of deciding myself what I don’t mind seeing on my feed and what I do. I view it as a kind of a science experiement. I like exposing myself to ideologies even if I strongly disagree with them. I find it interesting when people have a completely different world view to me.
When it comes to stuff that’s illegal it’s a different story. Ofcourse I need to deal with it wether it personally affects me or not.
Also nazis are not the point here. It’s just an extreme example. We could be speaking of flat earthers aswell.
There are also instances made to host spam bots (when they host it themselves they can make as many bots as they want and as fast as they want without having to worry about captcha) and instead of blocking each bot manually, our admins have the option to block that bot instance entirely. That’s a pretty powerful moderation tool.
They may of course also use this to block communities with a different ideology than them to avoid conflict. If you don’t want this, you can join an instance that doesn’t do this (that choice is the cool thing about the fediverse) and you could even host your own instance if you have the know how.
He didn’t say anything about spammers though, just dissenting opinions. Obviously if your instance is filled with 99% spam you ban the spam. Nothing to do with the nazis thing he was talking about.
I think the beauty of federation is that each instance can have it’s own moral code, I figure we will see everything-not-illegal-lemmy.com at some point, without any conmunity except meta ones, with admins that just do not de-federate from anything else.
You can be part of any instance that aligns with your values. And each community can decide which instance to live in. If some community wants to live in an instance which allows everything so anyone can comment, then maybe they move or start their own.
And I don’t think only horrible people would want this. I figure some community like suicide watch might want to allow everyone to comment no matter where they are from. Making de-federation the only option would suck, but it’s not. There can be different bubbles, and bubbles which contain them.
Ah but see you’re a well functioning adult with the ability to rationalize and self correct. A lot of people on the internet see a lot of up arrows so they follow the up arrow. If they themselves can’t get a coveted up arrow when they talk but it’s easier to get a down arrow they will get attention that way.
I surround myself with people who don’t share the same views as myself, I try and avoid echo chambers as much as possible but even with being careful I can find myself drawn into groupthink because we’re hardwired to identify with groups. What hope is there for the people who follow the almighty up and down arrows instead of questioning why?
Look on any ballot in the US. The average voter can’t tell if they’re voting a Nazi sympathizer or a Communist enthusiast into office. All they see is two different letters and the option to vote whichever letter their group supports.
When the masses don’t follow groupthink and the majority apply discourse instead of verbal attacks then we can have a social media platform free from censorship. I feel like this is more that we sort of suck as a species when we have no consequences for our actions so we put in consequences for those actions (albeit imperfectly) to make the ones who suck the most not bring down the rest.
I understand all this but I just don’t personally see it as a problem the same way many others seem to. I constantly read comments I strongly disagree with (for example when discussing this topic) and it’s fine. A racist comment here and there doesn’t bother me much. If it’s written in “good faith” but I disagree with it I’ll either downvote or not engage. If it’s just pure hate with no content I block the user and I don’t need to deal with them ever again. I’m an adult capable of deciding myself what I don’t mind seeing on my feed and what I do. I view it as a kind of a science experiement. I like exposing myself to ideologies even if I strongly disagree with them. I find it interesting when people have a completely different world view to me.
When it comes to stuff that’s illegal it’s a different story. Ofcourse I need to deal with it wether it personally affects me or not.
Also nazis are not the point here. It’s just an extreme example. We could be speaking of flat earthers aswell.
There are also instances made to host spam bots (when they host it themselves they can make as many bots as they want and as fast as they want without having to worry about captcha) and instead of blocking each bot manually, our admins have the option to block that bot instance entirely. That’s a pretty powerful moderation tool. They may of course also use this to block communities with a different ideology than them to avoid conflict. If you don’t want this, you can join an instance that doesn’t do this (that choice is the cool thing about the fediverse) and you could even host your own instance if you have the know how.
He didn’t say anything about spammers though, just dissenting opinions. Obviously if your instance is filled with 99% spam you ban the spam. Nothing to do with the nazis thing he was talking about.
For what it’s worth, i agree with you.
It seems we are a minority though, everyone is talking about safe spaces.
I suspect what they really want is a leftist echo chamber.
I think the beauty of federation is that each instance can have it’s own moral code, I figure we will see everything-not-illegal-lemmy.com at some point, without any conmunity except meta ones, with admins that just do not de-federate from anything else.
You can be part of any instance that aligns with your values. And each community can decide which instance to live in. If some community wants to live in an instance which allows everything so anyone can comment, then maybe they move or start their own.
And I don’t think only horrible people would want this. I figure some community like suicide watch might want to allow everyone to comment no matter where they are from. Making de-federation the only option would suck, but it’s not. There can be different bubbles, and bubbles which contain them.
And when that instance is created, it will get defederated from immediately
Ah but see you’re a well functioning adult with the ability to rationalize and self correct. A lot of people on the internet see a lot of up arrows so they follow the up arrow. If they themselves can’t get a coveted up arrow when they talk but it’s easier to get a down arrow they will get attention that way.
I surround myself with people who don’t share the same views as myself, I try and avoid echo chambers as much as possible but even with being careful I can find myself drawn into groupthink because we’re hardwired to identify with groups. What hope is there for the people who follow the almighty up and down arrows instead of questioning why?
Look on any ballot in the US. The average voter can’t tell if they’re voting a Nazi sympathizer or a Communist enthusiast into office. All they see is two different letters and the option to vote whichever letter their group supports.
When the masses don’t follow groupthink and the majority apply discourse instead of verbal attacks then we can have a social media platform free from censorship. I feel like this is more that we sort of suck as a species when we have no consequences for our actions so we put in consequences for those actions (albeit imperfectly) to make the ones who suck the most not bring down the rest.