The Palestinian Red Crescent said on Friday that one person was killed and 28 others were wounded in a shooting by Israeli forces at Al-Quds hospital in Gaza, the organisation said.
Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments. We can’t trust Israel’s claims when it comes to human shields. They have a track record of lying about it. Check out what happened in the Great March of Return in 2021-- IDF snipers killed 185 unarmed adults and 35 children. Israel claimed each of them were being used as a human shield. However, “human shield” refers to civilian deaths when targeting militants in combat. If all those journalists, medics, children, and unarmed activists were human shields, who were they shielding? Killing that many unarmed protestors would be a war crime, if we bothered to hold a tribunal. Israel is using the fog of war today to make their claims seem reasonable, but just five years ago the IDF showed an undeniable pattern of killing innocent people then lying about it.
Furthermore, if we’re going to accept Israel’s claims that Hamas is using human shields and their flawed definition of what a “human shield” is, then we also must accept that Israel uses human shields, too. The majority of their military bases are in densely populated areas. Their army broadcasts from a residential tower. The IDF’s main HQ is in the middle of a residential and shopping sector in Tel Aviv. Is anyone accusing Israel of using human shields? On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?
What this really is is a double standard. Israel uses the “human shield” defense for any civilian they kill in an attempt to give themselves international support under the color of law, but Hamas does not get that privilege and does not attempt to claim it.
The purpose of laws for international war is to create a standard that’s applied equally to everyone. Israel (and the US, too) seems to think that standard only applies to their enemies.
Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments
I, too, am tired of Hamas purposely encouraging civilian casualties.
On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?
They absolutely would be doing this if the Iron Dome did not exist, and sometimes accomplish it even when it does.
Quick reminder this entire shitfestival began with Hamas murdering over a thousand innocent people directly.
If you honestly think this began on October 7th, 2023, then you should genuinely stay out of this discussion until you educate yourself on the last 100 years of history.
i mean if you want to bring up Palestine losing two separate wars and thus losing their land, and Hamas refusing every single peace treaty (even though the West Bank accepted the terms), feel free.
I’ll engage just in case, but yeah this is very wrong. First, until 2006 the West Bank and Gaza were under one government, so the idea that the West Bank alone accepted any terms is very interesting, to say the least. Second, Israeli bullshit peace offers are too many so just say which one you want and I’ll explain why it was bullshit. The only exception was the Oslo accords in 1993-1995, but those fell through when the Israeli PM was fucking assassinated by a Zionist and replaced by Bibi, who called the whole thing off.
This is the manipulative framing people love to use but anyone with even a passing understanding of what’s happening can see how manipulative it is.
You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.
Not to mention Gaza isn’t the only Palestinian territory. In the time since Israel began sieging Gaza, the West Bank has seen upwards of fifty Palestinians killed per year by Israeli settlers, all backed by IDF soldiers. This is in a territory without Hamas by the way.
It takes some serious ignorance to act like Israel isn’t directly responsible for the abject poverty of Palestinians.
You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.
If Hamas wasn’t stealing from Gazans, and didn’t exist as a political leader solely for the purpose of denying normalization of relations and Palestinian statehood while enforcing a less secular, more extremist state, you might have a point here.
Unfortunately for everyone, that’s why Hamas exists.
Why are you blaming an extremist militia for the circumstances that created them? Hamas didn’t exist before Israel started colonizing both Gaza and the West Bank. Not to mention the resources Zionists like Netanyahu funneled towards Hamas to help them get more powerful than the moderate coalition.
If Israel didn’t have Gaza under such an inhuman blockade/siege Hamas would be just as equipped, yet average citizens wouldn’t be starving in the streets.
To not acknowledge the direct hand Israeli military and government has had in causing this is frustratingly naive.
No one defends Hamas here, but one Evel doesn’t give you the moral high ground to do an even bigger evil. I wonder in what world killing 1 civilian is condemned more than killing 10 civilians, destroying their homes, starving them and then telling everyone else oh but he killed this one person.
Israel is supposed to be the side which should try to de-escalate, especially considering the military superiority they have. What we see is quite the opposite.
Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.
Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.
But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?
Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.
Gonna need your sources for those claims. If they are the numbers Hamas are using, then I’m not going to believe that. I mean shit, Hamas said they didn’t do the 7th of October Massacres and then 24-hours later said that they did do it–not very reliable.
Regardless, Israel has no obligation to supply the state that just attacked them with resources.
Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.
bruh i literally said that the numbers are changing often. If you want to argue that the casualties are way higher, feel free.
But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?
None, no innocents should die. On the day, Hamas should never have attacked Israel, and Israel should’ve listened to Egypt’s warnings.
On the other hand, if Israel had treated Palestinians respectfully the whole time, Hamas wouldn’t exist today. It is kind of naive to blame only one of the sides for this conflict. Plus, just looking at the numbers Israel had killed and injured historically way more Palestinians.
They did so much wrong and I don’t see you condemning them about it. In a perfect world this would have not happened but it happened. You can check the human rights violations committed against Palestinians over time, Wikipedia, human rights reports, the UN, etc. but still Israel is playing the victim here, where they are literally the aggressor.
Israel has offered Palestine peace treaties, even willing to make Jerusalem, the capital of their government, into a neutral zone. West Bank was for that, but Hamas responded by launching another terrorist attack. I mean, we can go back further and further in history, saying, “Uhm actually this is who started it”, and we’d be all day until we’re arguing over cavemen.
I don’t like Israel, if that’s what you want to hear.
Mind you, these are just current numbers, ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing.
This is actually false, and if you stopped to Google your claims before you posted a comment you would know that. It’s kinda silly that you posted incorrect info then asked someone replying to you for sources to back up their claims :)
Nah, the violence would find it’s way into Israel and a shit ton of civilians would be murdered. Remember October 7th when The IDF wasn’t near any hospitals in Gaza?
So I can go on and on about how this isn’t how that works, but I’d recommend reading this article where an expert explains the situation in Palestine. The short of it: Israeli presence in Palestine is a violent military occupation; the status quo in Palestine is already violent.
I’m saying there wouldn’t be violence in hospitals if Hamas didn’t use hospitals as bases and firing platforms.
There wouldn’t be any of this war happening if Hamas wasn’t full of monsters who do not value human lives.
Imagine if Hamas just… Governed. Provided for their people. Shared some of the billions of dollars in their war chest to, you know, do what a government is supposed to do.
Instead they openly admit to attempting to maximize civilian casualties because it generates support for them and criticism from Israel.
Gazans are innocent civilians. Hamas is not. Hamas is a terrorist organization that runs Gaza like the mafia and steals from Gazans while also getting as many Gazans killed as.possible, intentionally.
Imagine if Hamas just… Governed. Provided for their people. Shared some of the billions of dollars in their war chest to, you know, do what a government is supposed to do.
Take a look at the blockade (which happened before Hamas became in charge of Gaza) and say that again.
How do you expect a country that depends on trade with the outside world to make it when cut off from said trade? Israel killed the Gazan (and Palestinian at large, but Gazan in particular) economy in 2005/2006.
They didn’t avoid doing it? That’s why the story was posted? If they were targeting Hamas, why were the majority of victims children? When they were snipers? Are Israeli snipers really just that shit?
It’s not a story. It’s coming from an organisation entirely based within Palestine. Until independents verify Red Crescent’s claims, it’s as reputable as the IDF’s claims that they did not.
Does Red Crescent have a history that would make us disbelieve their claims in this situation? They didn’t do anything crazy like shoot at and kill innocent, unarmed people two years ago during the Great March of Return then attempt to cover it up by saying they were “human shields” after the fact, right? Because if an organization did something like that, it would be good reason to distrust future claims from that organization.
Thankfully, googling “red crescent great march of return” doesn’t show them firing live rounds or tear gas canisters into crowds of peaceful, unarmed protestors, because imagine how bad it would look if you did something like that two years ago then tried to use the same excuse today for attacking a hospital!
Just curious, are you ESL? This is twice now in this comment section where it seems like you misunderstand what a comment is saying in a fundamental way
Those Hamas fuckers using innocents. God what a shitty war.
Man, I’m so tired of seeing “human shield” comments. We can’t trust Israel’s claims when it comes to human shields. They have a track record of lying about it. Check out what happened in the Great March of Return in 2021-- IDF snipers killed 185 unarmed adults and 35 children. Israel claimed each of them were being used as a human shield. However, “human shield” refers to civilian deaths when targeting militants in combat. If all those journalists, medics, children, and unarmed activists were human shields, who were they shielding? Killing that many unarmed protestors would be a war crime, if we bothered to hold a tribunal. Israel is using the fog of war today to make their claims seem reasonable, but just five years ago the IDF showed an undeniable pattern of killing innocent people then lying about it.
Furthermore, if we’re going to accept Israel’s claims that Hamas is using human shields and their flawed definition of what a “human shield” is, then we also must accept that Israel uses human shields, too. The majority of their military bases are in densely populated areas. Their army broadcasts from a residential tower. The IDF’s main HQ is in the middle of a residential and shopping sector in Tel Aviv. Is anyone accusing Israel of using human shields? On the other hand, if Hamas were to level any of those military buildings in residential areas of Israel, is there any doubt in your mind that Hamas would be accused of war crimes?
What this really is is a double standard. Israel uses the “human shield” defense for any civilian they kill in an attempt to give themselves international support under the color of law, but Hamas does not get that privilege and does not attempt to claim it.
The purpose of laws for international war is to create a standard that’s applied equally to everyone. Israel (and the US, too) seems to think that standard only applies to their enemies.
I, too, am tired of Hamas purposely encouraging civilian casualties.
They absolutely would be doing this if the Iron Dome did not exist, and sometimes accomplish it even when it does.
Quick reminder this entire shitfestival began with Hamas murdering over a thousand innocent people directly.
If you honestly think this began on October 7th, 2023, then you should genuinely stay out of this discussion until you educate yourself on the last 100 years of history.
i mean if you want to bring up Palestine losing two separate wars and thus losing their land, and Hamas refusing every single peace treaty (even though the West Bank accepted the terms), feel free.
Bruh are you calling what’s going on in the West Bank peace? These people are the victims of an explicit genocide campaign.
No. I said that West Bank accepted peace treaties but Hamas refused them every single time, thus ending the treaties.
I’ll engage just in case, but yeah this is very wrong. First, until 2006 the West Bank and Gaza were under one government, so the idea that the West Bank alone accepted any terms is very interesting, to say the least. Second, Israeli bullshit peace offers are too many so just say which one you want and I’ll explain why it was bullshit. The only exception was the Oslo accords in 1993-1995, but those fell through when the Israeli PM was fucking assassinated by a Zionist and replaced by Bibi, who called the whole thing off.
I was referencing the Oslo Accords, yes. However, I’m curious about your saying that Bibi called it off.
I thought it was because of attacks from jihadist groups who weren’t in favour of the accords started attacking again.
The West Bank isn’t ruled by Hamas, they have zero presence there. You have a very limited perspective on this.
never said they were. however they are in the West Bank
This war most assuredly began then as 0 IDF forces were in Gaza for years prior.
This is the manipulative framing people love to use but anyone with even a passing understanding of what’s happening can see how manipulative it is.
You’re referring to Gaza which has been under blockade/siege since Israel withdrew. By framing it how you have you ignore the reality that even without a direct occupation Israel is crushing Gaza from a health perspective, a social perspective, and a financial perspective.
Not to mention Gaza isn’t the only Palestinian territory. In the time since Israel began sieging Gaza, the West Bank has seen upwards of fifty Palestinians killed per year by Israeli settlers, all backed by IDF soldiers. This is in a territory without Hamas by the way.
It takes some serious ignorance to act like Israel isn’t directly responsible for the abject poverty of Palestinians.
If Hamas wasn’t stealing from Gazans, and didn’t exist as a political leader solely for the purpose of denying normalization of relations and Palestinian statehood while enforcing a less secular, more extremist state, you might have a point here.
Unfortunately for everyone, that’s why Hamas exists.
Why are you blaming an extremist militia for the circumstances that created them? Hamas didn’t exist before Israel started colonizing both Gaza and the West Bank. Not to mention the resources Zionists like Netanyahu funneled towards Hamas to help them get more powerful than the moderate coalition.
If Israel didn’t have Gaza under such an inhuman blockade/siege Hamas would be just as equipped, yet average citizens wouldn’t be starving in the streets.
To not acknowledge the direct hand Israeli military and government has had in causing this is frustratingly naive.
I blame terrorists for being terrorists
The Gazan “blockade” was also a response to literal terrorism. So is the fact that Gaza is not a country.
oh man hamas are known for being very honourable regarding war crimes. we should defend them.
No one defends Hamas here, but one Evel doesn’t give you the moral high ground to do an even bigger evil. I wonder in what world killing 1 civilian is condemned more than killing 10 civilians, destroying their homes, starving them and then telling everyone else oh but he killed this one person.
Israel is supposed to be the side which should try to de-escalate, especially considering the military superiority they have. What we see is quite the opposite.
how would you de-escalate the slaughter of 823 civilians, 276 soldiers, 57 policemen and 10 Shin Bet members, and the capturing of 247 civilians and soldiers, annnd the 100–200 civilians and soldiers missing?
Mind you, these are just current numbers, ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing.
Definitely not by killing 11.000 people, destroying their homes, cutting their electricity, food, water and fuel. And mind you more than 4000 of them are kids.
Oh and your math doesn’t work, Israel just updated the number of their casualties on 7th of October to 1200.
But just out of curiousity, at what number of kids we can say, enough is enough, or only Israeli kids matter?
Gonna need your sources for those claims. If they are the numbers Hamas are using, then I’m not going to believe that. I mean shit, Hamas said they didn’t do the 7th of October Massacres and then 24-hours later said that they did do it–not very reliable.
Regardless, Israel has no obligation to supply the state that just attacked them with resources.
bruh i literally said that the numbers are changing often. If you want to argue that the casualties are way higher, feel free.
None, no innocents should die. On the day, Hamas should never have attacked Israel, and Israel should’ve listened to Egypt’s warnings.
On the other hand, if Israel had treated Palestinians respectfully the whole time, Hamas wouldn’t exist today. It is kind of naive to blame only one of the sides for this conflict. Plus, just looking at the numbers Israel had killed and injured historically way more Palestinians.
They did so much wrong and I don’t see you condemning them about it. In a perfect world this would have not happened but it happened. You can check the human rights violations committed against Palestinians over time, Wikipedia, human rights reports, the UN, etc. but still Israel is playing the victim here, where they are literally the aggressor.
Israel has offered Palestine peace treaties, even willing to make Jerusalem, the capital of their government, into a neutral zone. West Bank was for that, but Hamas responded by launching another terrorist attack. I mean, we can go back further and further in history, saying, “Uhm actually this is who started it”, and we’d be all day until we’re arguing over cavemen.
I don’t like Israel, if that’s what you want to hear.
Well too bad, because UNICEF does.
https://edition.cnn.com/2023/11/07/world/gaza-death-toll-accuracy-unicef-intl-hnk/index.html
Here’s a better source: https://www.unicef.org/appeals/state-of-palestine/situation-reports
Certainly a difficult situation considering Hamas set up operations in civilian structures
This is actually false, and if you stopped to Google your claims before you posted a comment you would know that. It’s kinda silly that you posted incorrect info then asked someone replying to you for sources to back up their claims :)
Israel Lowers Oct. 7 Death Toll Estimate to 1,200
I did source my claim.
You provided a source for “ever since the attack, it’s only been going up as they confirm more and more deceased or missing”?
This is ironic because it’s the exact attitude that lots of people have about the IDF
yes that was the point
Here’s a thought: don’t shoot at hospitals.
So Hamas will just shoot from hospitals without getting any backfire?
So, let the people posted up in the hospitals shoot you without returning fire?
So you’re saying there’d be no violence if the Israeli military just stayed away from the hospital?
Nah, the violence would find it’s way into Israel and a shit ton of civilians would be murdered. Remember October 7th when The IDF wasn’t near any hospitals in Gaza?
So I can go on and on about how this isn’t how that works, but I’d recommend reading this article where an expert explains the situation in Palestine. The short of it: Israeli presence in Palestine is a violent military occupation; the status quo in Palestine is already violent.
I’m saying there wouldn’t be violence in hospitals if Hamas didn’t use hospitals as bases and firing platforms.
There wouldn’t be any of this war happening if Hamas wasn’t full of monsters who do not value human lives.
Imagine if Hamas just… Governed. Provided for their people. Shared some of the billions of dollars in their war chest to, you know, do what a government is supposed to do.
Instead they openly admit to attempting to maximize civilian casualties because it generates support for them and criticism from Israel.
Gazans are innocent civilians. Hamas is not. Hamas is a terrorist organization that runs Gaza like the mafia and steals from Gazans while also getting as many Gazans killed as.possible, intentionally.
Take a look at the blockade (which happened before Hamas became in charge of Gaza) and say that again.
Ok. I did. I still feel the exact same way.
So I know this is pointless, but I’ll bite.
How do you expect a country that depends on trade with the outside world to make it when cut off from said trade? Israel killed the Gazan (and Palestinian at large, but Gazan in particular) economy in 2005/2006.
Any real government would have moved to normalize relations. In fact, the PA did exactly that, which is why Hamas performed their coup
That’s what they avoid doing, which is why Hamas sets bases up inside hospitals.
They didn’t avoid doing it? That’s why the story was posted? If they were targeting Hamas, why were the majority of victims children? When they were snipers? Are Israeli snipers really just that shit?
It’s not a story. It’s coming from an organisation entirely based within Palestine. Until independents verify Red Crescent’s claims, it’s as reputable as the IDF’s claims that they did not.
Remember the Al-Ahli Arab Hospital explosion. Best wait until others can verify these claims.
Does Red Crescent have a history that would make us disbelieve their claims in this situation? They didn’t do anything crazy like shoot at and kill innocent, unarmed people two years ago during the Great March of Return then attempt to cover it up by saying they were “human shields” after the fact, right? Because if an organization did something like that, it would be good reason to distrust future claims from that organization.
Thankfully, googling “red crescent great march of return” doesn’t show them firing live rounds or tear gas canisters into crowds of peaceful, unarmed protestors, because imagine how bad it would look if you did something like that two years ago then tried to use the same excuse today for attacking a hospital!
Yes, that’s my point that their claims are as reputable as IDF’s claims.
Just curious, are you ESL? This is twice now in this comment section where it seems like you misunderstand what a comment is saying in a fundamental way
No, just pointing out the absurdity of bias on display.
Claims from organisations inside of Palestine are as reputable as those coming out from Israel.
And that explains innocents getting killed and injured by sniper fire?
Is it really an excuse to kill 10 times as many civilians, most of which are children?
This is your chance to add a /s