A few year back, there was a Netflix documentary about flat earther. They’ve done a couple of experiment to prove that the earth is flat which (Spoiler alert) demonstrated that the earth is round.

So now that these persons have demonstrated scientifically that the earth is round. How are they doing ? Still flat-earther ? or did they give up with the amount of evidence they collected ?

  • snooggums
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    341 year ago

    By default all humans should be treated with dignity unless they are causing direct harm to others. Flat Earthers are kind of an edge case because their anti science and evidence approach is tied in with the antivax movement so they are harming others indirectly.

    MAGA idiots, racists, and other hate filled people do not deserve dignity. In amedical setting, sure, but not in the real world where they are causing harm.

    • @dustyData
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      TIL hospitals aren’t real guys!

    • @dustyData
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      No, all humans should be treated with dignity always. We should do all in our power to stop and restraint those causing or intending to cause harm to others. But no crime justifies cruelty or indignity ever.

      • @[email protected]
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        91 year ago

        I guess then you start messing with the definition of dignity. I don’t think it’s very dignified to be restrained for one’s fucked up views.

        • @dustyData
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          I know this is radical to you, but even criminals retain rights, even if they’re convicted for their crimes. Even due process and right to legal defense is about preserving human dignity for all.

          • @[email protected]
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            31 year ago

            Wow yes, this is so radical! Thanks for exposing me to this thought, I thought everyone taken in by the police is just thrown into a deep pit, without food, sanitation or anything really, and just forgotten about.

            I was talking about if I think of dignity, being taken in by law enforcement because my beliefs were literally so stupid as to make me dangerous to the general public if I was allowed to spout them any further, that would be very very far away from any dignity.

            Obviously I was not talking about people not being allowed basic human necesseties or due process or anything like that.

        • @andrewta
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          21 year ago

          He doesn’t mean literally restrain line with chains or something. He means figuratively restrain

          • @[email protected]
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            https://lemm.ee/comment/6002206

            I was talking about if I think of dignity, being taken in by law enforcement because my beliefs were literally so stupid as to make me dangerous to the general public if I was allowed to spout them any further, that would be very very far away from any dignity.

      • @Rhoeri
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        41 year ago

        You’re wrong.

        • @dustyData
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          31 year ago

          Such deep argument, much ethics.

          • @Rhoeri
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            -21 year ago

            I don’t waste time in futile arguments. I just call them as I see them.

            • @Feathercrown
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              21 year ago

              Cleaely you’ve ascended to a higher plane of argument

      • @InformalTrifle
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        -91 year ago

        Are you serious? There’s a huge number of humans that deserve no dignity. Terrorists and paedophiles spring to mind but there are many many more.

        • @dustyData
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          Yes, I’m 100% serious, even terrorists and pedophiles deserve a minimum of human dignity. It’s not about their morals. It’s about mine and our collective societal moral principles. To deny another human being dignity, no matter how awful their actions might’ve been, says nothing about the other person’s character, but speaks volumes about the person and society advocating indignity towards others. Yours is the logic that enables genocidal and discriminating abusive leaders.

        • @dustyData
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          Think about this. The racist police officers who killed George Floyd had the exact same mindset that you do. They thought that they could treat him as less than human because he was a criminal. Fox news, yes, the MAGA channel, ran with a story that tried to justify his murder because he was a suspected criminal. How do you feel sharing moral values with them?

          • @InformalTrifle
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            -21 year ago

            That’s completely misrepresenting what I said. Don’t put words in my mouth. Suspected of a crime, then it should be proven beyond doubt and then punished. Guilty of bombing people, abusing kids? Don’t deserve any dignity in my opinion

            • @mriormro
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              81 year ago

              Even the worst people imaginable are still people. They think, they feel, they experience, they are sentient.

              The moment you begin to dehumanize people is the moment you’ve slipped past the point and when you become capable of truly horrific things.

              • Sternhammer
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                71 year ago

                Well said.

                I’d also point out that dehumanising a subgroup is a powerful technique used to manipulate people. Tell people who to hate and you can get them to go along with anything while they’re focused on the scapegoats. Popular scapegoats include:

                • immigrants (taking our jobs while, paradoxically, being a welfare burden)
                • religious groups (Jews, Muslims, etc.)
                • welfare recipients (dole bludgers, a burden on society)
                • criminals (war on drugs, tough on crime)

                Any time someone is demonising a group theres a good chance they’re just trying to manipulate you.

              • @InformalTrifle
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                -31 year ago

                So allow them to be free and commit truly immoral crimes? Because locking them up is not very dignified

                • @mriormro
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                  You can separate offenders from the general population in dignified, humane ways.

                  There’s a difference between humanely housing, feeding, treating, and overseeing people we may consider as bad actors and simply throwing them into a concrete box for the rest of their lives. There’s also a difference between that and, say, torturing and maiming those same people as punishment.

                  The more you dehumanize the people that you may see as bad or unwanted, the easier it is for you to accept or even want the latter. I hope, in the future, you can see that empathy and dignified treatment of all people (not just ‘the good ones’) aren’t such reprehensible ideas.

            • @dustyData
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              41 year ago

              Oh, OK. A bunch of prison deputies would be so happy to hear that you support their sexual abuse of immates.

              • @InformalTrifle
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                01 year ago

                Keep making things up. Constructive discussion

                • @dustyData
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                  11 year ago

                  What, suddenly you don’t like the implications of your own moral values?

        • @ultranaut
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          81 year ago

          I agree there are people undeserving, but that doesn’t change the fact that there are inalienable rights inherent to all people. If the state is going to legitimately enforce the law it must respect those rights while doing so.