Idk I never really bothered with them because neither side of that ever sounded like people I wanted to interact with.
It’s folks like Germaine Greer. They start with basic feminist stances but progress from less controversial stances like “women’s bodies are regularly objectified and commodified in our society resulting in a situation where the very act of being perceived as a woman often comes with unwanted sexual advances” and will take it to more and more controversial positions like that due to misogyny in society women cannot meaningfully consent to sex with men. They’re also just notoriously transphobic as well.
I presume you have seen the magnificent feminist panel debate moderated by Norman Mailer? Mailer, one of most chauvinistic journalists of the time against a full auditorium of frothing feminists, including Germaine Greer, it is a spectacle to behold. Towards the end of the debate, a single male audience member requests the mic and asks Germaine,
“Suppose I as a man would want to oblige and give women precisely what it is that they are asking for, how would I go about that?”
to which she replies
“Whatever it is, you ain’t got it.”
Which sums up feminist rhetoric perfectly, in my opinion.
Idk I never really bothered with them because neither side of that ever sounded like people I wanted to interact with.
It’s folks like Germaine Greer. They start with basic feminist stances but progress from less controversial stances like “women’s bodies are regularly objectified and commodified in our society resulting in a situation where the very act of being perceived as a woman often comes with unwanted sexual advances” and will take it to more and more controversial positions like that due to misogyny in society women cannot meaningfully consent to sex with men. They’re also just notoriously transphobic as well.
I presume you have seen the magnificent feminist panel debate moderated by Norman Mailer? Mailer, one of most chauvinistic journalists of the time against a full auditorium of frothing feminists, including Germaine Greer, it is a spectacle to behold. Towards the end of the debate, a single male audience member requests the mic and asks Germaine,
“Suppose I as a man would want to oblige and give women precisely what it is that they are asking for, how would I go about that?”
to which she replies
“Whatever it is, you ain’t got it.”
Which sums up feminist rhetoric perfectly, in my opinion.