• @shalafi
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    291 year ago

    OP’s a child who’s never dealt with violence, war or destroyed infrastructure.

    My ex-FIL was a decorated Army vet (Iraq, 2x Bronze Stars), Mississippi National Guard. FFS, those men couldn’t get into their own cities after Hurricane Katrina, in peacetime. They cut fucking houses in half and pushed them aside to open the roads.

    Send in a strike team?! To a civilian hospital in a war zone?! That’s a solid plan to get your men killed on the incursion, OR, get a bunch of civilians killed and THEN lose all your men.

    • @Eldritch
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      11 year ago

      Unless you happen to be your own uncle. You are just the pot calling the kettle black.

      The IDF and the last month has killed more innocent civilians than Hamas has in years. Israel absolutely could be doing things differently if they wanted to save people and have peace. But they don’t want to have peace. Other than that piece of land. And I guarantee 100% before this is all over. It will be found that Israel itself killed many of their precious hostages with their own munitions in their indiscriminate bombing campaign. That’s just going to be a given. And also part of the reason why the Israel people are rightly calling out netanyahu and his cabinet of butchers.

      • @avater
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        Also known as war criminals.

        what the actual fuck. I’m gonna report you here, to insult every decorated veteran as a war criminal is wrong on so many levels.

      • @generalpotato
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        31 year ago

        Lol you’re getting downvoted for being right.

        People serving in Iraq acting like they served in WWII. Mother fuckers killed and tortured civilians, destroyed towns and claimed “victory” against people who were defending their homelands.

        We invaded and occupied a sovereign nation in the name of “WMDs” which we found none of and acting like we did god’s work over here. All they did was help create more animosity against Americans. Good fucking job.

        • @Ilovethebomb@lemm.ee
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          -81 year ago

          You mean the government that committed multiple atrocities against their own people? The government which regularly tortured and executed prisoners of war? The government whose leader’s son was a psychopath who raped a different woman every day, and had a penchant for brides on their wedding night?

          USA did the people of Iraq a favour by getting rid of Saddam and the Baath party, WMDs or not.

          • @generalpotato
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            Oh? Is that right? I see a government (Israel) slaughtering 10k civilians right now. Where is that sense of moral duty? Why don’t we go in there and send a peace keeping force?

            We did Iraqis a favor by slaughtering 30k of their civilians did we? How many did Saddam kill before us? Didn’t we take out OBL by not slaughtering people in Pakistan?

            Foh.

            • @PersnickityPenguin@lemm.ee
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              11 year ago

              Dude, Saddam Hussein committed genocide against his own people. It’s well documented and is why the United Nations authorized unilateral force against the country back in 1991, as well as a 15-year no-fly zone across most of the country.

              He also gassed the Kurds repeatedly. And his brothers were a psychopaths. Well, they all were.

              Uday was in particular a great guy:

              “he was guilty of rape, murder, and torture, including the arrest and torture of Iraqi Olympic athletes and members of the national football team whenever they lost a match.”

              And

              “Uday also ordered the kidnapping of Ilham Ali al-Aazami, Miss Iraq, after she had rejected him. Uday and his bodyguards subsequently held her captive and raped her for weeks, and started the rumor that she was a prostitute, causing her to be killed by her father. When the father confronted Uday, the latter spoke disparagingly about the girl, causing the father to lose control to the point of first verbally accosting and ultimately physically assailing Uday. This prompted Uday to order Latif to shoot the father — rather than acquiesce, Latif instead refused and attempted to commit suicide. Ultimately the father was murdered by one of Uday’s bodyguards.[76] On another occasion, Uday attacked a newlywed couple and raped the bride in the al-Medina Hotel. She then committed suicide by throwing herself off the balcony. Her husband, a lieutenant, was later killed for “insulting the president”.[76]”

              These were the people who were ruling Iraq for decades. I really wouldn’t want to be making excuses for people like this. But, you do you!

              • @generalpotato
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                11 year ago

                Read my comment again. I’m not making excuses and Saddam didn’t need to exist beyond the moment in time the first time he took a human life.

                The point which you missed was that we have the ability to take out tyrants without having to cause 30k civilian casualties and decimate towns/cities. We didn’t do that, we went blood thirsty and inflicted so much damage on a sovereign nation and its citizens that it created a generation of Iraqis and people in the broader region that hates the US.

                We took out OBL and have toppled numerous regimes without using excessive force.

                This whole notion of us taking out Saddam because of us being some benevolent nation for good is complete bullshit. We went in there for oil and because Saddam didn’t let us have it, so we made it a point to take him out by any means necessary, using the WMDs cover-up.

                The US has a history of getting cozy with dictators and letting them kill and pillage their own people as long as it serves our interest.

                The Iraq “war” was a massive fuck up and mistake. Nobody should be decorated for it.