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- psychedelic_therapy
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- psychedelic_therapy
cross-posted from: https://lemmy.world/post/8180477
Why this is significant: There is no currently known treatment to stop suicidal thoughts when they happen. Antidepressants take 4-6 weeks to start working, and they don’t work for everyone. Therapy also takes time. Our best option for acutely suicidal people is to lock them up in a psychiatric facility until they are no longer a threat to themselves.
Intravenous ketamine offers a glimpse of hope. A single dose appears able to alleviate suicidal ideation immediately after administration and for up to a week afterwards.
A single dose of IV ketamine is generally quite expensive.
If the effects last a week, might not be worth it
You mean it’s more reasonable to just die?
Unfortunately, those are the options most Americans have. Either pay more than you can afford to fix it or let it kill you.
Uh there are a lot of anti depressants out there. I pay $15/mo for mine. This is just misinfo and xenophobia.
Same. I take wellbutrin and it costs me about $12/mo, paying out of pocket
Anything that isn’t “any health care = bankrupt” disrupts their circle jerk lol. They don’t actually know how reality works here.
No. I don’t think the options are (a) die or (b) do ketamine transfusion every week.
Note that this is simply because this study looked at differences for up to a week. Other studies suggest there is a more sustained effect, although it’s not permanent. Antidepressants aren’t permanent either. The argument is to get insurance to cover ketamine since it is a promising treatment for suicidal ideation (and some are starting to cover it).
I have read, from ketamine infusion recipients, that it was amazing at first but then their depression got worse after the initial period of relief.
That’s the reason I haven’t done it myself. People who have enough money to keep getting the infusions swear by it. But people who don’t have some very disturbing stories to tell.
That’s interesting, I’ve also heard the opposite, and I think this just shows we need way more research - and of course way more coverage by insurance. I also wonder if people who got worse had just depression or depression and PTSD. I have a personal pet theory about that (basically, I’m curious whether, if you have PTSD the infusions will make you better short-term, but you still need therapy to process the trauma to receive long-term relief - no actual research support for this yet).
What’s “expensive”?
About $300 per session. The ketamine itself is cheap, the doctor’s time is what you’re paying for.
Was gonna say, I don’t remember ket being that expensive through the, err, unregular channels. Then again I’m not in America this would just be free here.
Do people do ketamine infusions where you are?
Not sure what you mean with infusion, I assumed IV meant intra-venous, which, yeah some folks do that unfortunately, though now that I think about it I think it would mostly be done intra-muscular (in a muscle rather than a vein).
You’re saying it would be free in your country. I’m saying that this is already a practice so my question is do people already do it there and is it already free there?
Oh right, gotcha. No I have no idea if it’s done sorry, I only have information about the illegal use of it…
There’s a clinic in Denver that offers it for like $1500 per session.