@interolivary Logitech build quality was never a problem. The problem with Logitech, and most of the gaming brands, is their software which is utterly shit.
That Logitech F710 have never received a firmware update or even a driver update.
I’ve had some Logitech mice and keyboards is always the same story. They trend to work better without their software than with the “Logitech G suite” installed.
Same applies to Corsair, NZXT, Razer, Asus (Armory Crate) and many more.
I mean, the build quality isn’t a problem for terrestrial use where your life doesn’t depend on it. A 1% failure rate (I don’t know what it actually is, just pulling a number out of my ass) is not bad in those cases, but I’d be a bit nervous about it in a sub.
The fact of the matter is, gaming peripherals are probably close to the very best we have in human/machine interfaces. They’ve been studied to oblivion and back, for over 40 years.
The Navy also has redundancies and procedures in place for when those controllers fail. The controller doesn’t determine whether the crew lives or dies.
@interolivary Again their products are reliable. I’m still using some Logitech X-540 on my desktop PC and they still sound incredible.
Now when you move to devices that require software like mice and keyboards, there’s not gaming brand that does that good or even “acceptable”.
Even the Xbox controller had an issue in Steam were it used to fulfill your hard drive with screenshots. Microsoft had to release a driver update.
Again gaming devices have lots of software issues.
Oh I get it, I’m not saying they’re unreliable for normal gaming use (something like a 1% failure rate would be great for consumer stuff), but that I wouldn’t want to bet my life on one.
@interolivary There’s a middle point that I share with you.
They shouldn’t had used a device make for consumers. They should engineered a controller that could stand harsh uses like military or scientific purposes.
Also, pardon my language, who in the fuck thinks that’s a good idea to use a controller that uses an old technology like WiFi 2.4GHz and only batteries, no USB cable.
A device for those purposes should be wired and with Half Dome sticks (which prevents drift).
Yeah, and it’s extra weird considering that the Logitech mouse software is pretty decent. I have a Logitech controller and it’s really solid hardware wise, but I never use it because the software sucks making it a pain to set it up in games. I just stick with a plain old Xbox controller instead.
@_haha_oh_wow_ For me is a DualShock 4 + DS4Windows. Gives me all the flexibility that I want (macros, LED configuration, rumble level personalization, sticks death zone calibration, Bluetooth poll rate, key binds ,and even jitter compensation for the touchpad).
As an extra I can create profiles for each controller, and games, so every one of them can have all those settings personalized. Also I can connect, by Bluetooth, up to 8 controllers at the same time.
No limits if they’re wired.
@interolivary Logitech build quality was never a problem. The problem with Logitech, and most of the gaming brands, is their software which is utterly shit.
That Logitech F710 have never received a firmware update or even a driver update.
I’ve had some Logitech mice and keyboards is always the same story. They trend to work better without their software than with the “Logitech G suite” installed.
Same applies to Corsair, NZXT, Razer, Asus (Armory Crate) and many more.
I mean, the build quality isn’t a problem for terrestrial use where your life doesn’t depend on it. A 1% failure rate (I don’t know what it actually is, just pulling a number out of my ass) is not bad in those cases, but I’d be a bit nervous about it in a sub.
So, you’d also be nervous knowing all U.S. nuclear subs also use an XBox controller?
https://www.geekwire.com/2017/u-s-navy-swapping-38000-periscope-joysticks-30-xbox-controllers-high-tech-submarines/
https://www.cnet.com/science/us-navy-launches-submarine-maneuvered-by-xbox-controller/
The fact of the matter is, gaming peripherals are probably close to the very best we have in human/machine interfaces. They’ve been studied to oblivion and back, for over 40 years.
The Navy also has redundancies and procedures in place for when those controllers fail. The controller doesn’t determine whether the crew lives or dies.
Which is exactly the Point: The Controller isn’t at fault - or the fact that they used a Controller. Everything else around that is.
IIRC the controller is used for the periscope.
They’ve also been studied to Morrowind and Skyrim and back.
You got there before me by 1 minute
Would’ve been longer, but I wasn’t sure if Morrowind had one W or two so I had to look it up.
@interolivary Again their products are reliable. I’m still using some Logitech X-540 on my desktop PC and they still sound incredible.
Now when you move to devices that require software like mice and keyboards, there’s not gaming brand that does that good or even “acceptable”.
Even the Xbox controller had an issue in Steam were it used to fulfill your hard drive with screenshots. Microsoft had to release a driver update.
Again gaming devices have lots of software issues.
🧵 1 / 2
Oh I get it, I’m not saying they’re unreliable for normal gaming use (something like a 1% failure rate would be great for consumer stuff), but that I wouldn’t want to bet my life on one.
@interolivary There’s a middle point that I share with you.
They shouldn’t had used a device make for consumers. They should engineered a controller that could stand harsh uses like military or scientific purposes.
Also, pardon my language, who in the fuck thinks that’s a good idea to use a controller that uses an old technology like WiFi 2.4GHz and only batteries, no USB cable.
A device for those purposes should be wired and with Half Dome sticks (which prevents drift).
🧵 2 / 2
Yeah, and it’s extra weird considering that the Logitech mouse software is pretty decent. I have a Logitech controller and it’s really solid hardware wise, but I never use it because the software sucks making it a pain to set it up in games. I just stick with a plain old Xbox controller instead.
@_haha_oh_wow_ For me is a DualShock 4 + DS4Windows. Gives me all the flexibility that I want (macros, LED configuration, rumble level personalization, sticks death zone calibration, Bluetooth poll rate, key binds ,and even jitter compensation for the touchpad).
As an extra I can create profiles for each controller, and games, so every one of them can have all those settings personalized. Also I can connect, by Bluetooth, up to 8 controllers at the same time.
No limits if they’re wired.