Not backing Hamas over the PLO, predictably getting their civilians killed and creating the pretext for the genocide they’re now committing would probably be a good start. How about not operating an open air concentration camp that’ll radicalise Palestinians against them?
Hamas are terrible, but this is a situation Israel has manufactured - they don’t get to cry about i the predicable consequences of their choices now.
To say “this is a situation Israel has manufactured” is a convenient gross oversimplification of the history of the region. Either you know this isn’t true and you’re just spewing misinformation or you’re not informed and speaking confidently.
Don’t pivot. We aren’t talking about genocide. You said this “is a situation Israel has manufactured”. If you’re going to make bold statements then back them up.
I explained it, and you claimed my explanation was oversimplified without any further detail. Seems you’re the one making bold statements without backing them up.
There is an ongoing genocide - why is that not the most important part to you, and why should I care if whatever detail you claim I’ve missed doesn’t justify that genocide?
…or an I correct in thinking you’re taking this line because the genocide isn’t something you’re concerned about?
You want to talk about genocide that’s fine. You want to say this is a situation Israel has manufactured: that’s an entirely different topic. It’s not complicated.
Also, the word genocide gets thrown around very loosely these days I’ve noticed. When the allies were bombing Germany in WW2 were they committing genocide? Millions of civilians died in the bombing of dreaden. I’m not saying Israel is NOT committing genocide, because a collective argument could be made if you put all the pieces together (blockade, settlements, etc). If by genocide you mean just the occurrence of civilian casualties, then surely you will admit Hamas is also conducting genocide every time one of their rockets kills an Israeli baby. …Right?
This isn’t an explanation of what I oversimplified that would justify the genocide - it’s just dithering about the definition of genocide. I linked the UN definition in anticipation of your obviously bad-faith questions designed to diminish and distract from that genocide.
Third and final time: What did I miss in my oversimplification that would justify the genocide Israel is committing against Palestine? You say I’ve oversimplified, but haven’t made any effort whatsoever to correct the record. Why might that be?
You said that “Israel manufactured the situation”. It’s clear your intention is putting the onus entirely on one side when history shows this is not the case. I’m not going to bother with reiterating the entire history of the region. If we are going to reduce all historic fact to such gross oversimplifications, we might as well say nothing. You may say I’m being pedantic, but your biased messaging is clear. The genocide topic is just a convenient way to sidestep my initial point (even after I conceded the genocide thing) which is why you keep bringing it up. If you can’t engage with one point without having to keep pivoting to these other topics then it’s clear you are either illiterate or just bad faith.
So there’s no material context I’ve missed in the oversimplification you’re claiming I’ve engaged in (I’ve asked you many times now), you don’t have a point, and you’re just being a genocide-defending piece of shit that’s too cowardly to own their positions.
I say this with deepest sincerity - fuck you, you utter waste of a human life.
The intent is the most difficult element to determine. To constitute genocide, there must be a proven intent on the part of perpetrators to physically destroy a national, ethnical, racial or religious group. Cultural destruction does not suffice, nor does an intention to simply disperse a group. It is this special intent, or dolus specialis, that makes the crime of genocide so unique.
They are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world, (…) You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
Netanyahu (translated) 28/10/23
Now go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass
1 Samuel 15:3
One example. Of course his cabinet are less connected with international politics and are more inclined to use direct language.
Genocide or not, why are you defending the Israeli government slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians - including huge numbers of children indiscriminately? We certainly don’t see Hamas being targeted in the casualty stats.
Not backing Hamas over the PLO, predictably getting their civilians killed and creating the pretext for the genocide they’re now committing would probably be a good start. How about not operating an open air concentration camp that’ll radicalise Palestinians against them?
Hamas are terrible, but this is a situation Israel has manufactured - they don’t get to cry about i the predicable consequences of their choices now.
To say “this is a situation Israel has manufactured” is a convenient gross oversimplification of the history of the region. Either you know this isn’t true and you’re just spewing misinformation or you’re not informed and speaking confidently.
A full history of the region wouldn’t fit in a post. Would you like to add relevant context to attempt to justify the ongoing genocide?
Don’t pivot. We aren’t talking about genocide. You said this “is a situation Israel has manufactured”. If you’re going to make bold statements then back them up.
I explained it, and you claimed my explanation was oversimplified without any further detail. Seems you’re the one making bold statements without backing them up.
There is an ongoing genocide - why is that not the most important part to you, and why should I care if whatever detail you claim I’ve missed doesn’t justify that genocide?
…or an I correct in thinking you’re taking this line because the genocide isn’t something you’re concerned about?
You want to talk about genocide that’s fine. You want to say this is a situation Israel has manufactured: that’s an entirely different topic. It’s not complicated.
Also, the word genocide gets thrown around very loosely these days I’ve noticed. When the allies were bombing Germany in WW2 were they committing genocide? Millions of civilians died in the bombing of dreaden. I’m not saying Israel is NOT committing genocide, because a collective argument could be made if you put all the pieces together (blockade, settlements, etc). If by genocide you mean just the occurrence of civilian casualties, then surely you will admit Hamas is also conducting genocide every time one of their rockets kills an Israeli baby. …Right?
This isn’t an explanation of what I oversimplified that would justify the genocide - it’s just dithering about the definition of genocide. I linked the UN definition in anticipation of your obviously bad-faith questions designed to diminish and distract from that genocide.
Third and final time: What did I miss in my oversimplification that would justify the genocide Israel is committing against Palestine? You say I’ve oversimplified, but haven’t made any effort whatsoever to correct the record. Why might that be?
You said that “Israel manufactured the situation”. It’s clear your intention is putting the onus entirely on one side when history shows this is not the case. I’m not going to bother with reiterating the entire history of the region. If we are going to reduce all historic fact to such gross oversimplifications, we might as well say nothing. You may say I’m being pedantic, but your biased messaging is clear. The genocide topic is just a convenient way to sidestep my initial point (even after I conceded the genocide thing) which is why you keep bringing it up. If you can’t engage with one point without having to keep pivoting to these other topics then it’s clear you are either illiterate or just bad faith.
So there’s no material context I’ve missed in the oversimplification you’re claiming I’ve engaged in (I’ve asked you many times now), you don’t have a point, and you’re just being a genocide-defending piece of shit that’s too cowardly to own their positions.
I say this with deepest sincerity - fuck you, you utter waste of a human life.
Yooo also from your definition:
One example. Of course his cabinet are less connected with international politics and are more inclined to use direct language.
Genocide or not, why are you defending the Israeli government slaughtering tens of thousands of Palestinian civilians - including huge numbers of children indiscriminately? We certainly don’t see Hamas being targeted in the casualty stats.