• oce 🐆
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    Let’s ignore the political opponent massacres of the Great Purge and ideology fueled agricultural disasters of the Great Chinese Famine, and focus on the Holodomor in Ukraine, the Cambodian genocide, the Uyghur genocide in China.
    Happened under communist dictatorships that are generally considered to be at the left.

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      Generally, the left wing is characterized by an emphasis on “ideas such as freedom, equality, fraternity, rights, progress, reform and internationalism” while the right wing is characterized by an emphasis on “notions such as authority, hierarchy, order, duty, tradition, reaction and nationalism”.

      This guy: This dictatorship is on the left.

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        I’m not sure what your comment means, but I’m actually saying the opposite of dictatorship being of a specific political side. I’m highlighting the fact that political extremists will end up killing in the name of their ideology, which ever it is, left, right or whatever other cult.

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          My comment means a Dictatorship, by definition, isn’t left wing.

          I’m highlighting the fact that political extremists will end up killing in the name of their ideology

          How do you define extremist? It used to be an extremist view to say women should have the right to vote, or people shouldn’t own slaves. Hell, Democracy used to be an “extremist” view.

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            110 months ago

            So someone willing to kill in the name of an ideology is an extremist, but that’s the easy extreme case. In general in modern democracies, no politician would admit to that, so the definition is rather relative to how far the political positions of a party are from the average of the last governing parties for a specific country.

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              10 months ago

              So someone willing to kill in the name of an ideology is an extremist

              So you’re highlighting the fact that extremists will kill people in the name of their ideology, and you define extremists as people who will to kill for their ideology. Sounds pretty tautological no?

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                110 months ago

                You’re confusing tautology with just writing the same definition in two different orders.
                A square has four sides of equal length. Four sides of equal length length make a square. That’s not a tautology.

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                  110 months ago

                  Okay, so you’re highlighting the fact that a square has four sides of equal length. Seems rather pointless, no?

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        10 months ago

        Agree with your last sentence but it is the path all the Marxist revolutions have taken. A reason being that proletariat dictatorship is a step to communism in Marx’s ideology. But from history, it seems it just stops at the dictatorship.
        So maybe the conclusion is that Marx methodology doesn’t actually lead to a progressive/left country.