• conciselyverbose
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    11 year ago

    Learning enemies is the core gameplay loop of a souls like.

    Content churn is antithetical to everything the genre stands for.

    • @[email protected]
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      11 year ago

      Wouldn’t a stream of new enemies lean more into that core gameplay loop because you’re constantly learning rather than only when you first played?

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        1 year ago

        Absolutely not.

        Games as a service has never once resulted in high quality, well designed and polished content. The incentives are too broken. It is not capable of doing so. The model inherently removes the time required to do the bare minimum.

        If every frame isn’t carefully considered, it is not a souls like. The entire definition of the genre is built around deliberately approaching enemies that are extremely polished mechanically. There are some cases where the windows to act are small, but if you’re frame perfect, you will always win. Games as a service effectively guarantees that there isn’t time to ensure that consistent behavior, making it something entirely different.

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          11 year ago

          People seem to like them

          Insert any MMO

          LoL/DOTA

          Apex Legends

          Fortnite

          Your definition of “game has to be good to be in this genre” doesn’t hold water

          • conciselyverbose
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            11 year ago

            The defining trait of the genre is polished, deliberate combat.

            Without that it’s just a generic ARPG.

              • conciselyverbose
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                11 year ago

                They very clearly are ARPGs. Not all ARPGs are Diablo clones with isometric graphics and big showy splash damage.

                What distinguishes souls-likes from other ARPGs with similar gear and stat mechanics is the fact that your skill level is a core element of progression. Carefully designed enemies define a souls like. Calling a game without them a souls like is like calling a game without realistic physics a racing sim. It doesn’t matter what the developer’s intent is. If your physics are arcade-y, you’re not a racing sim. You’re just a racing game.

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                  You don’t sound like you are coming from a developer background

                  If I pitch a game as an ARPG people are going to assume a soulslike - simple combat where you wait for an attack then parry/dodge and hit back then repeat until the fight is over

                  All that matters is the developer’s intent

                  In your example it is still a racing sim, just a bad one

                  • conciselyverbose
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                    11 year ago

                    I am, and you’re wrong.

                    Developers can say anything they want. Genre is defined exclusively by players and how they experience the end result. Players label games.

                    If a developer makes Doom and calls it a JRPG, they’re wrong regardless of what their design goals were.