And most communist states have actually just been fascists. Like, the USSR and China didn’t really have the people owning the means of production, or anything near equality, egalitarianism, or fair wealth distribution.
Actually, I don’t have numbers on China, but in USSR throughout most of properly recorded economic history 10% of the wealthiest people owned about 20% of all money in the country, give or take depending on the year. In modern Russia, it is about 65% from what I remember, and that doesn’t include offshore funds of the oligarchs.
Also, they weren’t fascist by any definition. Authoritarian - yes. Fascist - no.
Not arguing for anything here, both countries could be way better, but your claims are wrong.
It doesn’t make sense to call a semantic claim factual. I’m fine with trying to push a different definition for Communism, but by the common understanding of the word, the USSR, (past) China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc., were or are all Communist states.
The word “communism” is clearly and explicitly stated by original commenter as an economic system (“Bridled capitalism is a better system than communism”) and not ideology, as per definition you try to give.
USSR, China, Cuba, Vietnam etc. had socialism as their economic system, and that’s an encyclopedic fact, not semantics.
One factual point: we haven’t tried communism, we tried socialism. Communism was more of a faraway ideal.
Not debating substance of the claims, as debate not asked for.
And most communist states have actually just been fascists. Like, the USSR and China didn’t really have the people owning the means of production, or anything near equality, egalitarianism, or fair wealth distribution.
Actually, I don’t have numbers on China, but in USSR throughout most of properly recorded economic history 10% of the wealthiest people owned about 20% of all money in the country, give or take depending on the year. In modern Russia, it is about 65% from what I remember, and that doesn’t include offshore funds of the oligarchs.
Also, they weren’t fascist by any definition. Authoritarian - yes. Fascist - no.
Not arguing for anything here, both countries could be way better, but your claims are wrong.
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1364368/average-wealth-by-percentile-russia/
Thank you! Even worse than I remember.
It doesn’t make sense to call a semantic claim factual. I’m fine with trying to push a different definition for Communism, but by the common understanding of the word, the USSR, (past) China, Cuba, Vietnam, etc., were or are all Communist states.
The word “communism” is clearly and explicitly stated by original commenter as an economic system (“Bridled capitalism is a better system than communism”) and not ideology, as per definition you try to give.
USSR, China, Cuba, Vietnam etc. had socialism as their economic system, and that’s an encyclopedic fact, not semantics.
Communist-ish.
Also Dictator-ish.