Hey, so, I was hoping someone could break down the strategy or rationale behind team Biden’s current messaging? Cards on the table, I plan on voting for him in the general election and primary, but the Biden camp’s messaging seems insane to me. I know a single person irl who’s doing well financially right now, everyone else is feeling the pain. The messaging so far seems to be (and please correct me if I’m wrong): everything is fine actually, and we should all be praising him, and it doesn’t matter if you disagree because the other guy is Hitler. It just comes across as super disconnected, I don’t know any IRL left/Dem voters that resonate with it, and it honestly reminds me of the general vibe of the HRC campaign from 16. This election is too important to fuck up, so this messaging has got me concerned. Can someone explain how this is supposed to win Biden the election?

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    -11 year ago

    Oh, I see. The American economy is doing really good right now by all common metrics, so presenting your personal experience might not carry much weight in a discussion that looks for a connection between the current presidential administration and a bad economy when it’s so easy to point to all the metrics of a good national economy.

    That doesn’t mean you’re experiences are wrong, you might be attributing certain price hikes to decisions higher up the food chain than they occurred or something like that.

    It’s difficult to draw specific lines of consequence from the current administration’s economic policies to the price of eggs, but it’s really easy to point to the fact that the egg companies artificially increased egg prices to maximize profit during a vulnerable time for most Americans.

    You could try asking some specific questions about the economy in relevant communities.

    Or me. I have a lot of time.

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      31 year ago

      See, I don’t think Biden is directly responsible for my grocery prices, but when my wages have been flat and my monthly costs keep going higher and higher despite decreasing our living standards, it really makes me roll my eyes when I see team Biden crowing about how great the economy is doing. I know Biden isn’t putting the screws to me, but the messaging is divorced from my reality, as well as that of most people I know. The only person I know who’s doing particularly well is doing so because they sold a house that they were given by their parents. I have a gut feeling that the numbers they’re citing are being gamed, and beating your chest about gamed numbers and telling Americans that they shouldn’t be upset because the numbers look great just doesn’t go down smooth and taste great for me.

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        21 year ago

        Sure.

        They’re correct that the dollar is stronger against other currencies around the world, and that the GDP is growing and unemployment is going down and all of that, but what you’re talking about is an institutional and political war against equitable wealth-from-production distribution that is tied directly to conservative judges and politicians.

        Biden policies like investing in green infrastructure and energy, and handing out a few thousand dollars to some students are good policies, and they’re about as much as any center left Democratic president could hope to achieve in such a polarized political climate, but conservatives and conservative media have tricked Americans into voting away their rights and installed supreme Court justices that have also voted away your rights.

        Corporations being able to donate unlimited campaign funds to the wealthy, selfish candidates at the top who wish to preserve their wealth and power was an explicitly conservative victory.

        Biden is not progressive except in comparison to the extremists that are labeled conservatives in the United States.

        Biden has, though, been enacting social and economic policies that benefit Americans directly since he’s been elected, with many achievements I didn’t think he’d be interested in passing or be able to pass.

        Direct covid relief, school lunches for kids, veteran health care reform, appointing a high and important number of minority judges, gun reform, reversing the military trans ban, directly combating climate change, lowering national debt, investing in infrastructure, the current administration is doing a lot of things that change the actual fabric of how the country is run and the way Americans will experience life in their country but are not flashy or instantaneous; the problems you are describing come directly from wealth disparity and union busting driven by conservative interests.

        The Biden administration is going to tout the numbers that most people and news outlets pay attention to(president high number, okay he good), but their practical social achievements that unfortunately most people don’t care about and most news outlets don’t report on are going to benefit the country and individual Americans far more than a percentage point of GDP they can also lay claim too, and far more than all of the troubles the last administration brought the states.

        Trump directly raised prices on domestic goods, directly raised prices on housing, directly removed protections on the environment, there’s just no comparison between the two administrations.

        Biden is mopping up after Trump in addition to enacting new positive policies that directly benefit Americans.

        On paper, Biden’s administration is and has been much better for America than the disaster Trump has been and would be, and behind the scenes, the social and judiciary appointments biden’s made are going to make American life better in those metrics you were talking about and beyond.

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          21 year ago

          I wish they’d talk more about these policies and their effects instead of just saying “wow, the economy is great, you guys”, but another commentor pointed out that that’s give the republicans something to attack.

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            21 year ago

            The White House main page lists their larger policies that have had the effects we’re talking about, the White House has released large press statements and articles are written about each beneficial act that has been legislated, there are countless third party articles about those policies, but a flood of misinformation and misleading articles from the conservatives might distract you from these truly impressive policy achievements.

            With the equivocation and misrepresentation of policy achievements that conservatives are trying to spew as far and wide as possible, it’s easy for the casual or unwary American newsreader to become incorrectly convinced that 10 opinion pieces have equal merit as the practical real world effects of these policies.

            It’s also important to note that the achievements we’re taking about are complex policies that positively affect millions or hundreds of millions of people in myriad ways and not as simply comprehended or recalled as the reportings of the new hourly or quarterly update of any one of the inarguably positive economic statistics everybody is asking the White House about.

            They are getting the word out, and you have to be critical of the news landscape so that an empty, opinionated hit piece doesn’t denigrate or carry the same weight as the practical, concrete achievements made by the Biden administration.