So if you send email to the owner of the compane and to your colleagues on same level you put boss at last spot if they come to your mind as last?
Exactly. That’s how I always did it and will keep doing it. Anything else sounds absolutely weird to me.
There is no mention of it being mandatory in my post
There kind of is. Because you make it sound like it’s not a written rule per se but still very much a social convention that people kind of expect you to follow.
It’s similar thing to as when we used to hold door to next person so they don’t get smashed by it. boss > colleagues > intern.
So this is where it gets really weird. What is that even supposed to mean? How is the position in the company relevant to holding doors? If there’s an intern behind me, I hold his door open. If it’s the boss I do the same. Just like I’d expect both of them to do the same for me and each other. What is your list even supposed to mean? You don’t hold doors for interns? Your boss doesn’t do it for you? What kind of sociopathic hellhole of a system do you work in? Do you participate in that?
I once worked in a company where my supervisor demanded I’d prepare coffee for him and completely lost it when I wanted to discuss how exactly that was part of my job as a researcher. His point was that his boss had always expected his orders to be followed, no questions asked, and he’d expect the same thing from me. Needless to say I left that fucker as soon as I had another contract available (and never prepared his fucking coffee). This kind of hierarchical thinking may be appropriate for the army but certainly not for an ordinary company.
What kind of sociopathic hellhole of a system do you work in? Do you participate in that?
Asian countries, for instance, have very strict hierarchies. Japan (do a quick search on Japanese work environments for more fun - I especially ‘love’ the one about women being forced to wear high heels at work, not sure if it was repealed yet) and India (the caste system, 'nuff said) come to mind. I can totally see that sort of shite happening around there. Hell, it might even be considered an honor to serve coffee to your boss there.
Some European countries (mostly those that were under russian influence, but there may be some in the west that I’m not aware of) also suffer from this sort of hierarchical thinking.
No there’s nothing mandatory and i said i have never seen anyone get scolded for not doing it. It’s just common sense , it;'s being thought in communication courses etc just like when picking up phone you first say greetings, say company name, then your name. Because caller usually knows company and greetings but is having hard time catching your name if it;s first thing to they get “shot” at them upon you answering the phone call.
Last thing is typo from smartphone, holding door and order of recipient in email doesn’t belong to the same sentence. .
It’s bewildering to me how you don’t see the contradiction here. If you say it’s common sense then it’s so ingrained into your work culture that it might not be mandatory but still very well part of the unwritten laws governing how you work together. Not being scolded for not following it does not mean that people will not talk about it behind your back. These rules are the foundation of mobbing and bullying. None of that is an official rule but it can very well be considered mandatory if you say it’s common sense to follow it.
it;'s being thought in communication courses etc just like when picking up phone you first say greetings, say company name, then your name.
I was never taught any of this and I also don’t do that. Company name first? Never did that and never had anybody mention to me that I should change my behaviour in that regard.
Everything you say sounds weird as fuck to me. Would you mind telling me what country you’re from?
Exactly. That’s how I always did it and will keep doing it. Anything else sounds absolutely weird to me.
There kind of is. Because you make it sound like it’s not a written rule per se but still very much a social convention that people kind of expect you to follow.
So this is where it gets really weird. What is that even supposed to mean? How is the position in the company relevant to holding doors? If there’s an intern behind me, I hold his door open. If it’s the boss I do the same. Just like I’d expect both of them to do the same for me and each other. What is your list even supposed to mean? You don’t hold doors for interns? Your boss doesn’t do it for you? What kind of sociopathic hellhole of a system do you work in? Do you participate in that?
I once worked in a company where my supervisor demanded I’d prepare coffee for him and completely lost it when I wanted to discuss how exactly that was part of my job as a researcher. His point was that his boss had always expected his orders to be followed, no questions asked, and he’d expect the same thing from me. Needless to say I left that fucker as soon as I had another contract available (and never prepared his fucking coffee). This kind of hierarchical thinking may be appropriate for the army but certainly not for an ordinary company.
Asian countries, for instance, have very strict hierarchies. Japan (do a quick search on Japanese work environments for more fun - I especially ‘love’ the one about women being forced to wear high heels at work, not sure if it was repealed yet) and India (the caste system, 'nuff said) come to mind. I can totally see that sort of shite happening around there. Hell, it might even be considered an honor to serve coffee to your boss there.
Some European countries (mostly those that were under russian influence, but there may be some in the west that I’m not aware of) also suffer from this sort of hierarchical thinking.
No there’s nothing mandatory and i said i have never seen anyone get scolded for not doing it. It’s just common sense , it;'s being thought in communication courses etc just like when picking up phone you first say greetings, say company name, then your name. Because caller usually knows company and greetings but is having hard time catching your name if it;s first thing to they get “shot” at them upon you answering the phone call.
Last thing is typo from smartphone, holding door and order of recipient in email doesn’t belong to the same sentence. .
It’s bewildering to me how you don’t see the contradiction here. If you say it’s common sense then it’s so ingrained into your work culture that it might not be mandatory but still very well part of the unwritten laws governing how you work together. Not being scolded for not following it does not mean that people will not talk about it behind your back. These rules are the foundation of mobbing and bullying. None of that is an official rule but it can very well be considered mandatory if you say it’s common sense to follow it.
I was never taught any of this and I also don’t do that. Company name first? Never did that and never had anybody mention to me that I should change my behaviour in that regard.
Everything you say sounds weird as fuck to me. Would you mind telling me what country you’re from?