• @[email protected]
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    21 year ago

    Dems have to do something beyond sad attempts at change if they want my vote. Oh what, if i don’t fall in line the republicans will win? Wow i guess the democratic party will need to become significantly more progressive.

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      What is the point of voting at all if you’re not going to vote for either of the two people who actually has a chance of winning?

      No one knows who you vote for. At best, it’s a pointless personal moral victory that no one else will be aware of. You can literally stay home and just tell people you voted for someone and they won’t be any the wiser.

      So why bother? To fractionally increase the vast margin your candidate is still going to lose by?

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      • @Dlayknee
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        Without trying to sound contentious, how is voting for one of the two major parties supposed to help break out of the two party system? Have the Democrats ever put forward any kind of legislation supporting things like eliminating first-past-the-post?

        To be clear, I don’t disagree that the Dems are the lesser of two devils in this election but I don’t know if it’s fair to waive a banner of hope for either party at this point.

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          • PupBiru
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            electoral college and first past the post helps republicans and hurts democrats… if you want systemic change, vote for the party that has the most to gain from the systemic change you’d like to see, and then work to make that systemic change happen

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              • PupBiru
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                democrats almost always win the popular vote… the electoral college is part of the mechanism that gives smaller states that tend to be more republican greater voting power than larger states

                and as far as FPTP, third party candidate votes tend toward more democratic candidates. given the spoiler effect (a 3rd party candidate draws the most votes from the 2 party candidate they’re closest to: if they didn’t run, most of their votes would have gone to their closest candidate. given they’re unlikely to win due to how the mathematics and sociology of voting systems work, a successful 3rd party candidate is always bad for their voters), that means that if RCV or similar were implemented, on balance those votes for 3rd parties would mean democrats get more votes

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        • @[email protected]
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          81 year ago

          Handing power over to proto-fascists would do more to end the two party system. But who actually thinks that’s a good idea?