Ah yeah, but that’s not Democrats or Republicans. That’s specific people. The labels exist to confuse the situation and you’re all playing into their hand.
You are literally doing the thing. I have Republican friends who are perfectly decent people. It’s a clump of political stances, not fascism or religion nonsense. That said, most people don’t even know all of what’s bundled in with their party. Nobody has time for that. Ditch the labels.
I have Republican friends who are perfectly decent people.
What, do you think every Nazi was a frothing at the mouth psychopath? “These are GOOD Republicans, they just vote for the oppression of minorities because they like lower taxes”, okay, they’re still fucking fascists and terrible citizens.
It’s a clump of political stances, not fascism
What the ever-loving fuck do you think fascism is.
That said, most people don’t even know all of what’s bundled in with their party. Nobody has time for that.
“Most people don’t know what they’re voting for”
If that’s true, and I doubt that it is, that would mean millions are voting for fascism because they can’t be arsed to ensure that their participation in the civic process isn’t oriented towards the oppression and murder of their fellow citizens.
Not sure how much more sympathetic that’s really meant to make me towards them.
Ah, the good old “Isn’t it YOUR job to make sure fascist fucks aren’t fascist fucks?”
Thanks for not disputing anything I said, by the way, it’s nice to know some enlightened centrists are actually completely aware that they’re gagging on fascist cock and just don’t care.
Sorry that I think encouraging the murder of minorities is evil. I’m sure that your enlightened viewpoint realizes that this is actually completely okay and shouldn’t be labeled with mean terms like ‘fascism’.
You cannot be a Republican in 2023 and be a decent person. To be a Republican in 2023 means you accept sitting down at the table with those who tried to overthrow the election with violence. That’s not even touching the party’s policies that do harm to queers and other minorities, or inaction on climate change, or what have you. It is a thoroughly rotten party, and membership in 2023 is as damning as certain armbands would have been in the 30s.
Secondly, if you “ditched the labels” people would immediately reinvent them. People aren’t going to enumerate their belief set in full every time. They’ll find groups of like minded people and give it a name. The labels exist because they are useful, not as a comic force imposed on people.
You’re right at first sight, i didn’t know that, interesting considering that eastern Europe banned communist symbols and political parties :
However i’m wondering if you know the republican point of view, representing half of the voting population after all. They’re apparently saying that they’re against poverty, but somehow believe that giving more money to the wealthy is the correct way, that they’re not racist, but are mixing the consequences of being poor with the social determinism of our system(, or that we’re being replaced in France), they’re equating socialism with authoritarianism, saying that we don’t know economy, and that crime should be fought with more “authority”, and many more things, they’re just mistaken and nobody deserves (y)our hate, everyone makes mistakes, i think it was the point of view of @Mango and it’s also mine. I, for one, regretted their absence from reddit and also on Lemmy, it’s not by excluding them that things will improve i.m.o.
You’re believing that fascism is on the rise but we’re no better than the fascists banning the socialists/communists if we’re banning fascists instead of accepting&debating with them. Things are indeed getting worse, i agree with you on this(, and @Mango as well probably), more censorship isn’t the answer i.m.o.
Man, I grew up in Small Town America™. I know Republicans, and I know how they think. Some of it is ignorance, like you say. But a great deal of it simply is… not. There is a great deal of bigotry and malice in the GOP rank-and-file, and I don’t know how much sympathy “I wasn’t paying attention to literal right-wing terror attacks on minorities when I voted for the party that encouraged them” is supposed to garner them.
In the US, neither Nazis nor Soviet-style communists are banned (nor any kind of communists, for that matter).
Hey, i’m visiting some family currently and they’re watching another one of these news channels owned by billionaires, they’re regularly saying that crimes are done by immigrants and totally ignoring that the poors 100% french hated the police as well 100 years ago, and did more crimes than the wealthy, it’s so obvious that it isn’t linked to being black or arab, that their solution of being even more cruel towards them(, social benefits, authority, police, …,) is f*cking ignorant. They’re talking all day about islam and insecurity(, which isn’t growing in %, it only gives such impressions because the laws changed, surveys should be trusted instead), yet such experts would be absolutely unable to explain why these behaviours were exactly the same in the past with “true” french poors(, e.g., they called cops “les cognes”, etc.). When i’m pointing the obvious(, going back millenias in the past), they’ll just shrug it off and continue to call it a civilizational problem, history goes in circles.
Is it more or less the same in the u.s.a. ? I’d be interested to know your vision of their propaganda.
Yeah, it’s very similar, only that there is a weird kind of nihilism peddled in the American right where problems are actually unsolvable, so the ‘solution’ isn’t “We’ll fix this” but “We’ll hurt these people and that will make you feel better even if it doesn’t improve anything”.
You have to consider both sides when he’s dragging bodies out of his house in black garbage bags every weekend.
Ah yeah, but that’s not Democrats or Republicans. That’s specific people. The labels exist to confuse the situation and you’re all playing into their hand.
“The labels exist to confuse the situation”
Gee, I wonder why people the people who all loudly proclaim they’re on the same side as the literal fascists all end up as literal fascists?
I guess we’ll never know. These labels are just too confusing!
You are literally doing the thing. I have Republican friends who are perfectly decent people. It’s a clump of political stances, not fascism or religion nonsense. That said, most people don’t even know all of what’s bundled in with their party. Nobody has time for that. Ditch the labels.
What, do you think every Nazi was a frothing at the mouth psychopath? “These are GOOD Republicans, they just vote for the oppression of minorities because they like lower taxes”, okay, they’re still fucking fascists and terrible citizens.
What the ever-loving fuck do you think fascism is.
“Most people don’t know what they’re voting for”
If that’s true, and I doubt that it is, that would mean millions are voting for fascism because they can’t be arsed to ensure that their participation in the civic process isn’t oriented towards the oppression and murder of their fellow citizens.
Not sure how much more sympathetic that’s really meant to make me towards them.
Yeah, and don’t you think they would vote better if people used actual taking points instead of labels?
Ah, the good old “Isn’t it YOUR job to make sure fascist fucks aren’t fascist fucks?”
Thanks for not disputing anything I said, by the way, it’s nice to know some enlightened centrists are actually completely aware that they’re gagging on fascist cock and just don’t care.
Ok, we’re done here. You’re an actual troll diamond at the mouth because you think anyone other than your team just has to be evil.
Sorry that I think encouraging the murder of minorities is evil. I’m sure that your enlightened viewpoint realizes that this is actually completely okay and shouldn’t be labeled with mean terms like ‘fascism’.
You cannot be a Republican in 2023 and be a decent person. To be a Republican in 2023 means you accept sitting down at the table with those who tried to overthrow the election with violence. That’s not even touching the party’s policies that do harm to queers and other minorities, or inaction on climate change, or what have you. It is a thoroughly rotten party, and membership in 2023 is as damning as certain armbands would have been in the 30s.
Secondly, if you “ditched the labels” people would immediately reinvent them. People aren’t going to enumerate their belief set in full every time. They’ll find groups of like minded people and give it a name. The labels exist because they are useful, not as a comic force imposed on people.
If i may interject : do you really not see a difference between the republican party and our archetype of nazis ?
Should they be banned then ?
I didn’t realize Nazis were banned in the US. Care to offer me some legislation on the matter?
You’re right at first sight, i didn’t know that, interesting considering that eastern Europe banned communist symbols and political parties :
However i’m wondering if you know the republican point of view, representing half of the voting population after all. They’re apparently saying that they’re against poverty, but somehow believe that giving more money to the wealthy is the correct way, that they’re not racist, but are mixing the consequences of being poor with the social determinism of our system(, or that we’re being replaced in France), they’re equating socialism with authoritarianism, saying that we don’t know economy, and that crime should be fought with more “authority”, and many more things, they’re just mistaken and nobody deserves (y)our hate, everyone makes mistakes, i think it was the point of view of @Mango and it’s also mine. I, for one, regretted their absence from reddit and also on Lemmy, it’s not by excluding them that things will improve i.m.o.
You’re believing that fascism is on the rise but we’re no better than the fascists banning the socialists/communists if we’re banning fascists instead of accepting&debating with them. Things are indeed getting worse, i agree with you on this(, and @Mango as well probably), more censorship isn’t the answer i.m.o.
Man, I grew up in Small Town America™. I know Republicans, and I know how they think. Some of it is ignorance, like you say. But a great deal of it simply is… not. There is a great deal of bigotry and malice in the GOP rank-and-file, and I don’t know how much sympathy “I wasn’t paying attention to literal right-wing terror attacks on minorities when I voted for the party that encouraged them” is supposed to garner them.
In the US, neither Nazis nor Soviet-style communists are banned (nor any kind of communists, for that matter).
Hey, i’m visiting some family currently and they’re watching another one of these news channels owned by billionaires, they’re regularly saying that crimes are done by immigrants and totally ignoring that the poors 100% french hated the police as well 100 years ago, and did more crimes than the wealthy, it’s so obvious that it isn’t linked to being black or arab, that their solution of being even more cruel towards them(, social benefits, authority, police, …,) is f*cking ignorant. They’re talking all day about islam and insecurity(, which isn’t growing in %, it only gives such impressions because the laws changed, surveys should be trusted instead), yet such experts would be absolutely unable to explain why these behaviours were exactly the same in the past with “true” french poors(, e.g., they called cops “les cognes”, etc.). When i’m pointing the obvious(, going back millenias in the past), they’ll just shrug it off and continue to call it a civilizational problem, history goes in circles.
Is it more or less the same in the u.s.a. ? I’d be interested to know your vision of their propaganda.
Yeah, it’s very similar, only that there is a weird kind of nihilism peddled in the American right where problems are actually unsolvable, so the ‘solution’ isn’t “We’ll fix this” but “We’ll hurt these people and that will make you feel better even if it doesn’t improve anything”.