A new study shows that restaurateurs would be better off advocating for better public transport access to their precincts rather than for more parking.
Too bad. You are not entitled to impose the costs of your car on the rest of society just because you like it. Pay the whole cost yourself instead of demanding demanding to use public space for your private car storage for free.
Its not like im the only person in the world with a godamn car. Why dont we just completly abolish roads while we are at it. I will continue to demand that i can park my car near wherever the fuck i need to go untill it is faster and more convenient for me to take public transport. I used to be able to park i nolonger can and public transport hasnt become viable for me why would i give something up with nothing in return.
Unfortunately car parking lots are just not good economics. Most customers don’t drive, so providing an opportunity for more businesses to set up shop, or making more space for people to live (in a housing crisis!) is an extremely good thing. It’s not just about making moolah for the developers, but also about providing the best outcome for all the humans who might use that space.
Likewise, on-street parking in the inner city streets, or outer suburb main roads, is a poor use of space compared to bike paths and bus lanes. (Nobody is suggesting getting rid of the ability to park on the street in local residential streets in the suburbs.)
There are a bunch of new suberbs where they have done exactly that. I also gotta lement the amount of apartments theae days rhat dont come with a carpark.
Too bad. You are not entitled to impose the costs of your bycicle on the rest of society. And the article is complete bollocks ur taxes that go to roads isnt for the impact u have on it its for the goods and services that travel those roads that u consume. The cost u impose on the road in terms of ware is neglegable compared to trucks etc that deliver goods and services to you.
If i can afford private health care why should my taxes go to funding people who cant? That is your exact argument why should u have to pay the cost of a functioning society when ur not using the things its providing. Its literaly i dont need X why should anyone else be given X. Its an argument based in nothing but personal greed. Do u wanna end up like america its the worlds greatest 3rd world country.
You are not entitled to impose the costs of your bycicle on the rest of society.
Bikes are a net benefit to society, even when you ridiculously inflate the costs of cycling by including things that are really caused by cars such (as the safety risk) as costs of cycling.
the article is complete bollocks ur taxes that go to roads isnt for the impact u have on it its for the goods and services that travel those roads that u consume
It’s both? Road maintenance is mostly paid for by council, which means its money comes from your rates bill (or your landlord’s rates bill, and this indirectly out of your rent). The rest is paid for out of state government revenue, such as GST. Every vehicle that uses a road does damage to it. That damage increase with the fourth power of weight (specifically, axle weight), so a car does about 10,000 times the damage of a bike (2000 kg over 2 axles, compared to 100 kg for bike + rider over 1 “axle”). There’s so much variety in trucks that it’s difficult to pin down one number for them, but yes, they do a lot more than cars.
However, the thing is…the damage done by trucks is caused indirectly by both car users and cyclists, because both drivers and cyclists…buy things. So it’s a neutral factor in this conversation. Not relevant.
If only societal cost/benefits were considered, one kilometre by car cost €0.15 (AU$0.21), whereas society earned €0.16 (AU$0.22) for every kilometre cycled.
Those numbers appear very close, so to clear up any doubt: the car CBA was a net cost while cycling had a net benefit.
And even this is actually being very friendly to cars and unfriendly to cycling. Because even though most crashes between bikes and cars are caused by the car, the study counts this as a cost of cycling in its cost-benefit analysis. It also counts time as the biggest cost to cycling, which is fair in the abstract, but may miss two key details: (1) cycling for transport may reduce the time one needs to spend with dedicated exercise to keep healthy, so a 30 minute ride might only actually cost you 15 minutes, as an example. And (2) studies have noted that cyclists often take extra lengthy circuitous routes in order to stay safe and avoid cars—time would be lower if we had better biking infrastructure or if cars were used in a less unsafe manner.
Too bad. You are not entitled to impose the costs of your car on the rest of society just because you like it. Pay the whole cost yourself instead of demanding demanding to use public space for your private car storage for free.
Its not like im the only person in the world with a godamn car. Why dont we just completly abolish roads while we are at it. I will continue to demand that i can park my car near wherever the fuck i need to go untill it is faster and more convenient for me to take public transport. I used to be able to park i nolonger can and public transport hasnt become viable for me why would i give something up with nothing in return.
Or you could park a little bit further away and walk the remainder of the distance? It’s not difficult.
Neither is leaving a carpark where it is and not selling it to a land developer to make as many dolarydoos as ya can
Unfortunately car parking lots are just not good economics. Most customers don’t drive, so providing an opportunity for more businesses to set up shop, or making more space for people to live (in a housing crisis!) is an extremely good thing. It’s not just about making moolah for the developers, but also about providing the best outcome for all the humans who might use that space.
Likewise, on-street parking in the inner city streets, or outer suburb main roads, is a poor use of space compared to bike paths and bus lanes. (Nobody is suggesting getting rid of the ability to park on the street in local residential streets in the suburbs.)
There are a bunch of new suberbs where they have done exactly that. I also gotta lement the amount of apartments theae days rhat dont come with a carpark.
Oh shit!
Do car owners not have to pay any kind of tax supporting said public spaces?!?
Where do I go to file for my refund?
Not in proportion to their fair share!
How much gas tax, or registration tax do you pay to support the roads you are using?
You mean, as a cyclist? $0, and I’m still subsidizing you even at that price!
https://www.cyclingutah.com/advocacy/who-owns-the-roads-anyway/
Too bad. You are not entitled to impose the costs of your bycicle on the rest of society. And the article is complete bollocks ur taxes that go to roads isnt for the impact u have on it its for the goods and services that travel those roads that u consume. The cost u impose on the road in terms of ware is neglegable compared to trucks etc that deliver goods and services to you.
If i can afford private health care why should my taxes go to funding people who cant? That is your exact argument why should u have to pay the cost of a functioning society when ur not using the things its providing. Its literaly i dont need X why should anyone else be given X. Its an argument based in nothing but personal greed. Do u wanna end up like america its the worlds greatest 3rd world country.
Those costs are negative. You think you’re clever trying to throw my argument back at me, but me riding a bike HELPS society instead of hurting it!
Being butthurt does not entitle you to blatantly make up shit and reject objective reality.
How have i rejected objective reality? I dont think its clever i think it applies equally to u as it does to me what the difference?
Bikes are a net benefit to society, even when you ridiculously inflate the costs of cycling by including things that are really caused by cars such (as the safety risk) as costs of cycling.
It’s both? Road maintenance is mostly paid for by council, which means its money comes from your rates bill (or your landlord’s rates bill, and this indirectly out of your rent). The rest is paid for out of state government revenue, such as GST. Every vehicle that uses a road does damage to it. That damage increase with the fourth power of weight (specifically, axle weight), so a car does about 10,000 times the damage of a bike (2000 kg over 2 axles, compared to 100 kg for bike + rider over 1 “axle”). There’s so much variety in trucks that it’s difficult to pin down one number for them, but yes, they do a lot more than cars.
However, the thing is…the damage done by trucks is caused indirectly by both car users and cyclists, because both drivers and cyclists…buy things. So it’s a neutral factor in this conversation. Not relevant.
If its a neutral factor then why didnt the article factor it out?
I don’t really know what you mean.
Ok, 1 that is a very obviously biased site.
2, where are they getting their numbers? They cite a Canadian site, and I can not find those numbers on that site.
So are we in Utah or Canada here?
Just to be clear, I don’t believe the first site at all, I can make up whatever number they want.
If it is true, then thanks!
Here’s an article about a study conducted in Sweden and Australia.
Those numbers appear very close, so to clear up any doubt: the car CBA was a net cost while cycling had a net benefit.
And even this is actually being very friendly to cars and unfriendly to cycling. Because even though most crashes between bikes and cars are caused by the car, the study counts this as a cost of cycling in its cost-benefit analysis. It also counts time as the biggest cost to cycling, which is fair in the abstract, but may miss two key details: (1) cycling for transport may reduce the time one needs to spend with dedicated exercise to keep healthy, so a 30 minute ride might only actually cost you 15 minutes, as an example. And (2) studies have noted that cyclists often take extra lengthy circuitous routes in order to stay safe and avoid cars—time would be lower if we had better biking infrastructure or if cars were used in a less unsafe manner.