• Flying Squid
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    111 year ago

    I have never heard of a job that required no training in order to do it. That’s learning a skill. And if you’ve already trained yourself in how to do it, you’ve still learned a skill. I can’t think of a job that you can do without any training whatsoever.

    • @[email protected]
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      1 year ago

      It’s a matter of degree. Comparing the training of a delivery driver or custodian to that of a doctor, engineer, or professor is, frankly, just stupid. This is what is meant by skilled versus unskilled labour.

      • Flying Squid
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        01 year ago

        No one made such a comparison. Again- any training or education is learning a skill. It doesn’t matter if it’s 8 years in a university or 8 hours as a dishwasher. There is no job I can think of that doesn’t require at least some training or education. Can you?

          • Flying Squid
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            -51 year ago

            “Minimal training” = learning a skill.

            It is skilled labor.

              • Flying Squid
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                01 year ago

                No. Being trained to do something is learning a skill. It’s that simple. I’m not sure why that isn’t clear to you yet. How many more times do I need to repeat it?

                • @[email protected]
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                  11 year ago

                  Ok fine. We want to be obtuse. Let’s separate it into minimally skilled and more skilled.

                  • Flying Squid
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                    That would be more accurate than what is used now. Why are you so hostile against the idea that people with less skill than you still have skill? It seems like snobbery to me.

    • dream_weasel
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      11 year ago

      It sounds like you’re taking issue with the terminology and not the concept.

      Unskilled labor being the kind you learn on the job and any normal human can be trained to do, vetsus skilled labor that requires university/apprenticeship/trade school. It’s hours or days of training compared to years of specialized training.

      I don’t like this particular turn of phrase either, but here we are.

      • Flying Squid
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        -51 year ago

        Yes, that’s what the investor class thinks. They are wrong.

        • dream_weasel
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          11 year ago

          Yeah I doubt it. I can flip any burger you got, you come design my machine learning algorithms.

          • Flying Squid
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            -21 year ago

            If you think you can just walk into any fast food restaurant and start working without anyone showing you what to do, you’re naïve. No, of course it doesn’t take as much training as working on computers. No one said it did. That doesn’t mean it isn’t a skill to be trained to use one of those machines.

            You and the investor class may think that the only people who are skilled in the labor world went through four years of college, but that is not what a skill is.

            • dream_weasel
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              21 year ago

              That’s also not what “skilled labor” means as a term of art, hence my first comment.

              • Flying Squid
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                -11 year ago

                Yes, I know, and I am saying that term is wrong and should not be used. All kinds of ‘terms of art’ have been abandoned because they’re bad terms.

      • Flying Squid
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        -11 year ago

        Where have you worked where a job requires absolutely no training whatsoever?

    • Ð Greıt Þu̇mpkin
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      01 year ago

      The difference is if you require a degree or license or some other certification of non-career training prior to being considered for the job.