• @hperrin
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    110 months ago

    Can you give me an example of the government censoring free speech on Twitter?

    • @propaganja
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      -110 months ago

      Shit dude, there are so many. In my opinion the most egregious example, but also the most politically charged, is the censorship of the Hunter Biden laptop story. Even if you don’t think the actual substance of the claims is true, the government’s attempts to censor it are definitely real. But I’m not here to debate the merits of any specific instance of censorship ad nauseam.

      At the heart of the matter in general is the question of whether the government should be allowed not to “make” a company censor something, but to “ask” them to “voluntarily remove” it. Technically, that’s all they’ve been doing—and even if they were doing so strictly only in good faith, it would still be contentious to argue that it’s ok for government to “strongly suggest”, i.e. exert influence over, what companies should and should not allow people to say—but that’s not all they’ve been doing.

      What they’re doing is exactly what you would expect them to do if they wanted to subvert the system to stay within the technical limits of legality, while getting away with de facto full-blown censorship: bully the companies with lies and threats of reprisal until they complied—they technically don’t have to, but it’s in their best interest to do so—or, barring their ability to do that, colluding closely with private “watchdog” companies that are the next-best thing to being government entities (they receive and, importantly, depend on significant federal money, hold regular weekly meetings with relevant agencies to discuss agendas, etc) to accomplish the same thing with much the same tactics. The latter is what happened to Twitter immediately after a court barred the current administration from doing the former, and is still happening to them right now, as well as to Rumble, notable for being the biggest YouTube alternative.

      • @hperrin
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        310 months ago

        So who was the president when the Hunter Biden laptop “story” was “censored”? You seem to be very interested in which side is doing things, and I just want to understand who was in power during the first example you went to.

        Also, here is the actual text of the first amendment:

        Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

        Can you provide an example of when the government violated this first amendment in regard to Twitter?

        • @propaganja
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          -110 months ago

          Nah. Trying doing an iota of work to address by arguments instead of trying to convince me I owe you pages of answers for nothing but more fish bait.