• @PizzaMan
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    1411 months ago

    At a minimum you guys could at least attempt to understand the argument.

    https://www.alreporter.com/2023/09/21/opinion-school-choice-is-a-scam-designed-to-hurt-the-most-vulnerable-students/

    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/alabama-political-reporter/

    Tl;DR: “School choice” is as good for freedom as the Patriot Act was for privacy. It’s a bullshit label to cover for the fact that the actual policy ends up fucking over society by under funding already struggling schools and instead giving the money to corporations that already have too much power.

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      1011 months ago

      School choice is also de facto segregation. The parents who don’t really have a choice for which school their kid attends are effectively stuck with what they have: an under-funded, under-staffed, under-performing school system that leaves their kids behind.

      • @PizzaMan
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        211 months ago

        This is why liberals look confused to people. They scream we want to be more like Europe then scream when we want to be more like Europe.

        This is a strawman. Quit trying to put words in my mouth.

        If a community is under funded then it’s that community fault.

        Not really. There are housing developers and real estate orgs that intentionally destroy neighborhood housing value for their own profit. The lower house prices mean that local schools go underfunded because of how property tax is tied to school funding.

        https://www.americanprogress.org/article/systemic-inequality-displacement-exclusion-segregation/

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blockbusting

        https://www.blackpast.org/african-american-history/blockbusting/

        On top of that, marginalized demographics do not have the generational wealth required to get better jobs, meaning they can’t bear the burden.

        Tax them more but don’t tax me to pay for other areas.

        Fuck that. No school should be left behind because of some made up failure to pull up bootstraps that don’t exist.

        Piss away your vote if you like, but I’m going to vote to keep society educated. I don’t want to live in a world of uneducated assholes, especially considering how big of a factor education is in crime rates.

        • NeuromancerM
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          The local communities can vote a tax in.

          Fuck that. No school should be left behind because of some made up failure to pull up bootstraps that don’t exist

          It’s not my job to pay another schools upkeep. I pay for the schools in my area. Raise taxes in that community to pay for their schools. It’s that simple.

          Each community needs to pay for the services for their community.

          • @PizzaMan
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            211 months ago

            The local communities can vote a tax in.

            I already addressed that:

            “On top of that, marginalized demographics do not have the generational wealth required to get better jobs, meaning they can’t bear the burden.”

            It’s not my job to pay another schools upkeep. I

            I can’t fathom why somebody would want higher crime rates. Failing to educate the public leads to higher crime rates.

            Republicans truly are the party of crime.

            • NeuromancerM
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              I already addressed that:

              No, you didn’t. You made some weird strawman argument. The residents can increase the tax by vote. They can create a minimum tax per unit. They can declare rental commercial property with high taxation. There are a plethora of things they can do.

              I can’t fathom why somebody would want higher crime rates. Failing to educate the public leads to higher crime rates.

              Easy, I pay for more law enforcement and we just keep them incarcerated. That is my solution to the problem. If someone wants better schools, pay for them. In return, I am willing to pay for more police to keep the poor people away from me.

              • @PizzaMan
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                211 months ago

                we just keep them incarcerated.

                How very freedom. We are number one in prisoners per capita. Land of the Free my ass.

                Any system that intentionally increases crime, prisoners per capita, and cost is a bad system. There are alternatives that reduce all three. But it requires everyone investing in education.

                • NeuromancerM
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                  -511 months ago

                  How very freedom. We are number one in prisoners per capita. Land of the Free my ass.

                  We have lots of criminals. They should be in jail or prison to keep society safe.

                  Nobody is intentionally increasing crime. That’s a strawman. If they they want better education. Pay for it. It’s that simple. It’s not my job to pay for everyone’s education. I pay for the education in my area.

                  • @PizzaMan
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                    211 months ago

                    Nobody is intentionally increasing crime

                    Republicans and people like you are trying to destroy education. And that leads to higher crime rates.

                    So ultimately you’re saying you want higher crime rates.

                  • @[email protected]
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                    111 months ago

                    If they they want better education. Pay for it. It’s that simple. It’s not my job to pay for everyone’s education. I pay for the education in my area.

                    I mean, I’m no deontologist…but what do you think would happen if everyone believed this?