A federal judge on Wednesday temporarily blocked a California law that would have banned carrying firearms in most public places, ruling that it violates the Second Amendment of the U.S. Constitution and deprives people of their ability to defend themselves and their loved ones.

The law signed by Gov. Gavin Newsom in September was set to take effect Jan. 1. It would have prohibited people from carrying concealed guns in 26 places including public parks and playgrounds, churches, banks and zoos. The ban would apply whether the person has a permit to carry a concealed weapon or not. One exception would be for privately owned businesses that put up signs saying people are allowed to bring guns on their premises.

  • Flying Squid
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    So you’re saying if Democrats just ignore mass shooting problems after god knows how many dead schoolchildren, it’s worth it for the win?

    • @[email protected]
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      No one said ignore mass shootings.

      Just gun control in areas it’s unpopular.

      There are other methods of attacking the problem than gun control. They won’t be as effective, but they will be more tolerated by the average American voter.

      Take the Florida governorship. DeSantis won out by the skin of his teeth the first go around.

      The reason Andrew Gilliam lost was he kept going on about bringing an assault weapons ban to Florida. Such a ban would have never made it though the legislature, so it was an empty promise on top of an unpopular one.

      So he shot himself in the foot for no gain and we have been stuck with pudding fingers ever since

      Democrats need to understand to pick their battles and read the room.

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      No, but if they stopped actively encouraging them to generate political capital and focused on things that would actually prevent them rather than scapegoating legal and constitutionally protected gun ownership it would not turn away a massive amount of otherwise swing voters.

      • Flying Squid
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        and focused on things that would actually prevent them

        You mean like universal healthcare? Because I’m pretty sure they are focused on that. They also just want to do the absolutely horrible anti-American anti-freedom measure of keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people so there might be a handful fewer dead children.

        But I suppose keeping guns out of the hands of crazy people is just scapegoating. After all, when has a psycho ever done anything dangerous?

        • @theyoyomaster
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          So then why does every single proposal overwhelmingly affect law abiding citizens while only serving to give criminals even softer targets?

          Also, are you talking about cable news style mass shootings like everyone thinks when they hear the term (Aurora, Pulse etc) or daily gang violence to inflate statistics? They are wildly different issues so actual meaningful solutions aren’t one size fits all (but with a surprising overlap).

          • Flying Squid
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            So then why does every single proposal overwhelmingly affect law abiding citizens while only serving to give criminals even softer targets?

            Please demonstrate that every single proposal does that.

            Also, are you talking about cable news style mass shootings like everyone thinks when they hear the term (Aurora, Pulse etc) or daily gang violence to inflate statistics?

            Sorry, are you saying that because mass shootings are not daily then they aren’t a problem?

            • @theyoyomaster
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              Name a current proposal and I’ll explain the issues with it.

              No, they are a problem but not one that can be solved with any of the current proposals. For cable news shooters the real issue is a societal one, the only legislative solution that could actually make a difference is in direct violation of the Bill of Rights so until people start caring more about stopping them than using them to promote a political view they are going to be a fact of life.

              • Flying Squid
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                You did not demonstrate your claim as I requested. It’s not my job to name proposals to back up your claim. If you can’t back it up yourself, that’s not my problem.

                No, they are a problem but not one that can be solved with any of the current proposals.

                Any of the current proposals? Not a single one from any person on any position on guns? So we just have to live with school kids getting slaughtered repeatedly unlike every other country on the planet?

                • @theyoyomaster
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                  Guns are a red herring in this. None of the current proposals with any sort of support from the democrats will make any sort of a difference here. The issue isn’t the guns but they focus on them and deliberately encourage them to create emotional responses to try and ban them. Semi auto bans, magazine capacities, UBCs; none of them do a damn thing to prevent or mitigate mass shootings. They are literally just power grabs. There is tons that can be done to prevent and mitigate them but the alt left wants them to happen so they can ban guns so they will continue happening.

                  • Flying Squid
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                    None of the current proposals with any sort of support from the democrats will make any sort of a difference here.

                    Prove it.

                    The issue isn’t the guns but they focus on them and deliberately encourage them to create emotional responses to try and ban them.

                    Prove it.

                    Semi auto bans, magazine capacities, UBCs; none of them do a damn thing to prevent or mitigate mass shootings.

                    Prove it.

                    There is tons that can be done to prevent and mitigate them but the alt left wants them to happen so they can ban guns so they will continue happening.

                    Prove it.

                    I have no reason to acknowledge any of those claims as valid. Just declaring them doesn’t make them true.