Thank you Mindseal, I’m glad that you took time for answering.
Stretch goals are not problems.
If I didn’t have far out desires and just wanted to “rest in the now” I wouldn’t be a subjective idealist. I’d be a materialist instead and go on shopping sprees which are "Available now, while supplies last, hurry the fuck up and buy buy buy.
You are right, the way it is worded, it gave the impression of advocating a compromise in long-term goals in favor of enjoying the status-quo, in a way similar to the discourse of “mainstream” meditation culture: “Everything is already perfect, just be mindful and rest in the now.”. I don’t hold this view at all, I’m not against the pursuit of long-terms goals that seem fantastic from a conventional POV.
Therefore I will redefine craving as: Attraction to a scenario that you are consciously evaluating as not worth to pursuit. A recurrent irrational attraction, interfering with your concentration, diminishing your capacity to dedicate yourself to goals evaluated as more wholesome.
Ps: I will keep addressing the others points of your answer as the time goes by.
Originally commented by u/Alshimur on 2018-08-08 23:50:17 (e3toh0e)
Therefore I will redefine craving as: Attraction to a scenario that you are consciously evaluating as not worth to pursuit.
Ahh, this is interesting. With this definition I see craving as something worth investigating. From your own perspective, maybe your conscious evaluation is what needs changed, or maybe it’s just right and one should then consider attenuating the draw so that one’s attractions fall in line with one’s conscious evaluation(s). I see craving, with this definition, as at least potentially problematic and in practical terms I think I can say craving thus defined is probably a problem, and one should consider attenuation strategies to lower the level of attraction.
This is a tricky issue, because one’s ability to make holistic conscious evaluation is also something one has to train, imo.
In an esoteric sense, deep down at the core of your own perspective, I claim that you’re already secretly omniscient, so this training is kind of half-real and half-illusionary, more like a return back to your original omniscience than true training in a conventional sense, so it’s more like re-training then maybe.
This is where one needs to value and develop wisdom at all times, because what is skillful and what isn’t depends on one’s perspective. I am not saying anything goes here. But what works and what doesn’t is something each perspective has to deeply know intimately on their own terms. This is why while it’s great to talk like this, and I hope we can keep talking, there is no replacement for contemplation in solitude.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2018-08-10 09:21:01 (e3x218m)
Thank you Mindseal, I’m glad that you took time for answering.
You are right, the way it is worded, it gave the impression of advocating a compromise in long-term goals in favor of enjoying the status-quo, in a way similar to the discourse of “mainstream” meditation culture: “Everything is already perfect, just be mindful and rest in the now.”. I don’t hold this view at all, I’m not against the pursuit of long-terms goals that seem fantastic from a conventional POV.
Therefore I will redefine craving as: Attraction to a scenario that you are consciously evaluating as not worth to pursuit. A recurrent irrational attraction, interfering with your concentration, diminishing your capacity to dedicate yourself to goals evaluated as more wholesome.
Ps: I will keep addressing the others points of your answer as the time goes by.
Originally commented by u/Alshimur on 2018-08-08 23:50:17 (e3toh0e)
Ahh, this is interesting. With this definition I see craving as something worth investigating. From your own perspective, maybe your conscious evaluation is what needs changed, or maybe it’s just right and one should then consider attenuating the draw so that one’s attractions fall in line with one’s conscious evaluation(s). I see craving, with this definition, as at least potentially problematic and in practical terms I think I can say craving thus defined is probably a problem, and one should consider attenuation strategies to lower the level of attraction.
This is a tricky issue, because one’s ability to make holistic conscious evaluation is also something one has to train, imo.
In an esoteric sense, deep down at the core of your own perspective, I claim that you’re already secretly omniscient, so this training is kind of half-real and half-illusionary, more like a return back to your original omniscience than true training in a conventional sense, so it’s more like re-training then maybe.
This is where one needs to value and develop wisdom at all times, because what is skillful and what isn’t depends on one’s perspective. I am not saying anything goes here. But what works and what doesn’t is something each perspective has to deeply know intimately on their own terms. This is why while it’s great to talk like this, and I hope we can keep talking, there is no replacement for contemplation in solitude.
Originally commented by u/mindseal on 2018-08-10 09:21:01 (e3x218m)