Believe it or not, but the “we gave them sandwiches sometimes” statement has also been put forth as an argument for why slavery was not so bad. FOR REAL!
Some have even been proposing - unironically mind you - that we return to using it!? (To be clear, I mean slavery, not offering anyone sandwiches. In fact, anyone offering free sandwiches should just be sent to jail. I am not making that up either, it’s a real thing somehow!?!? Despite what the Bible has to say about it, the “Bible-belt” states are making it illegal to offer food or water to the homeless😔)
Apparently they do not realize the truth that slavery has already been brought back -> there are more black people behind bars today than ever existed as slaves, and not always for “crimes” but sometimes trumped up charges in order to meet a quota, or minor offenses that a white person would be let off with a warning for (yes, many actual criminals too so hard to know the reality of the scope of the issues involved when so many falsehoods are mixed in along with the truths).
Maybe it wasn’t so terrible for some slaves - who were still slaves, by the way. I’ve read that some of them had good relationships with their “masters,” But - they were still not considered full human beings.
Slavery existed among African tribes for hundreds of years before white people started to get involved in it. In fact captured people from other tribes often became slaves to the winning tribes. I’m just saying that slavery isn’t just a white-person creation.
And modern slavery does take the form of black on black violence, petty crime and people selling drugs to each other (drug addiction itself is a kind of slavery). You wonder if we’ve made any progress at all as human beings in the last few centuries.
People have been evil since practically the dawn of mankind, but that seems no excuse to act that way ourselves? Also, many people from that continent may be shitty human beings (especially a hundred or so years ago, though also in modern times), yet I can think of a few shitty people from my own continent… past and present, and all of the other ones too? (in fact, several people that Donald Trump seems to be quoting from lately top the list)
Also, I never said that white people invented slavery - I only implied that slavery was bad, and tried to imply further that it doesn’t matter who started it, only that we chose to do it, and that in that decision, we were wrong. More importantly, since some people are unironically suggesting that we return to allowing slaves to exist, that we would be wrong if we were to start up the practice of slavery anew.
And no, your entire last paragraph I must vehemently deny: the likes of petty crime come NOWHERE CLOSE to the evils of slavery, ffs. Violence is likewise a form of evil, but the magnitude and the differing psychological impacts on the brain are nowhere close.
As for making progress, remember that time does nothing to change things, only effort does, e.g. the first law of thermodynamics: an object at rest will sit there for all of eternity, unless acted upon by a force strong enough to get it to shift. An analogy: imagine a car driving for 1,000 miles over the course of a very very long day’s drive… (I’ve done almost that actually - it’s exhausting!:-D) except now imagine that the car is up on cinder blocks, or like held up in a car lift in sth like a mechanic’s shop. You can run the engine at the same intensity for the same duration of time, point the car in the same direction, maybe use up a similar amount of gas, but until that rubber of the tire hits the asphalt of the road, that car is not going anywhere, not even 1 mile much less 1000.
The slaves were uprooted from their homeland(s, plural), brought to a new country with an entirely different ecosystem - different plants, different trees, different animals - and then further, children were ripped from their mothers’ arms ASAP, and often forbidden to be taught any knowledge whatsoever, except what their masters wanted them to know. They did not know how to hunt, fish, trap, or anything anymore - even if that knowledge would have transferred from Africa to the new place (somewhere in the Americas or whatever), it is not genetic and would have needed to have been taught, but largely b/c of concerns that the children be taught a particular subset of Christianity without being tainted by the old religions of their homeland, any kind of teaching of old knowledge was expressly forbidden. Those multi-generational slaves certainly did not know how to read, write, balance finances, perform maintenance/upkeep of a home or farm - except those activities that they used to perform as slaves, and even those were often so highly narrow & specialized as to be almost useless on their own - e.g. if you knew how to hammer nails into wood, then how would you learn where do you get the nails from in the first place? (or the hammer? and why/when would you even do it in the first place?). It is no wonder that starving people turned to crime, in order to eat! And yes, depression, and even drug use (though “drug addiction” is by no means in the sole purview of former slaves: one look at how many middle-class white people who have fallen prey to it in recent years is enough to show us that!).
Especially since slavery was only one, admittedly large, part of the overall problem. Driving while black, walking while black, running while black, buying while black, selling while black - it’s almost like doing ANYTHING while being black is enough to get someone killed! - and not just by a criminal, BY THE POLICE, WHO HAVE LEGALLY GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT, for centuries now!! (the number of black people who manage to shoot themselves in the back, then subsequently also in the head, is staggering…; and just so we do not gloss over that too quickly, keep in mind that it is medically, physically impossible for someone to shoot themselves in the back, and then also the head - i.e., it is 100% more likely that the policeman shot the person in the back, and then the head, but then the friendly coroner ruled it as a “suicide” for…reasons) The persecution of black people, often for no reason whatsoever but yes, sometimes b/c they did not act conciliatory enough (though again I direct your attention to sometimes it happening for no reason whatsoever, so even being 100% conciliatory, 100% of the time is insufficient to avoid incurring the wrath of an angry young white person who just felt like raping/killing/stealing from a former slave, AT ANY TIME), has continued ever since slavery ended.
Thank you! It was https://youtu.be/hsxukOPEdgg?si=bHZrY9n2qSygpBPf, especially starting about 6-7 minutes in but really the whole episode talks about the topic of the OP. The sandwiches comment is at ~7:45. Enjoy!:-)
What’s scary and sad is, we haven’t done anything to civilize them but we have done plenty to molest them with “christian” values such as bigotry and hate and religious nut jobbery. Africa is the cradle of all human civilization, and somehow we’ve devolved from there into tribal jerks and white nationalist scumbags.
The scary thing is that I’ve heard the “we civilized the Africans” claim made seriously before.
Believe it or not, but the “we gave them sandwiches sometimes” statement has also been put forth as an argument for why slavery was not so bad. FOR REAL!
Some have even been proposing - unironically mind you - that we return to using it!? (To be clear, I mean slavery, not offering anyone sandwiches. In fact, anyone offering free sandwiches should just be sent to jail. I am not making that up either, it’s a real thing somehow!?!? Despite what the Bible has to say about it, the “Bible-belt” states are making it illegal to offer food or water to the homeless😔)
Apparently they do not realize the truth that slavery has already been brought back -> there are more black people behind bars today than ever existed as slaves, and not always for “crimes” but sometimes trumped up charges in order to meet a quota, or minor offenses that a white person would be let off with a warning for (yes, many actual criminals too so hard to know the reality of the scope of the issues involved when so many falsehoods are mixed in along with the truths).
Maybe it wasn’t so terrible for some slaves - who were still slaves, by the way. I’ve read that some of them had good relationships with their “masters,” But - they were still not considered full human beings.
Slavery existed among African tribes for hundreds of years before white people started to get involved in it. In fact captured people from other tribes often became slaves to the winning tribes. I’m just saying that slavery isn’t just a white-person creation.
And modern slavery does take the form of black on black violence, petty crime and people selling drugs to each other (drug addiction itself is a kind of slavery). You wonder if we’ve made any progress at all as human beings in the last few centuries.
People have been evil since practically the dawn of mankind, but that seems no excuse to act that way ourselves? Also, many people from that continent may be shitty human beings (especially a hundred or so years ago, though also in modern times), yet I can think of a few shitty people from my own continent… past and present, and all of the other ones too? (in fact, several people that Donald Trump seems to be quoting from lately top the list)
Also, I never said that white people invented slavery - I only implied that slavery was bad, and tried to imply further that it doesn’t matter who started it, only that we chose to do it, and that in that decision, we were wrong. More importantly, since some people are unironically suggesting that we return to allowing slaves to exist, that we would be wrong if we were to start up the practice of slavery anew.
And no, your entire last paragraph I must vehemently deny: the likes of petty crime come NOWHERE CLOSE to the evils of slavery, ffs. Violence is likewise a form of evil, but the magnitude and the differing psychological impacts on the brain are nowhere close.
As for making progress, remember that time does nothing to change things, only effort does, e.g. the first law of thermodynamics: an object at rest will sit there for all of eternity, unless acted upon by a force strong enough to get it to shift. An analogy: imagine a car driving for 1,000 miles over the course of a very very long day’s drive… (I’ve done almost that actually - it’s exhausting!:-D) except now imagine that the car is up on cinder blocks, or like held up in a car lift in sth like a mechanic’s shop. You can run the engine at the same intensity for the same duration of time, point the car in the same direction, maybe use up a similar amount of gas, but until that rubber of the tire hits the asphalt of the road, that car is not going anywhere, not even 1 mile much less 1000.
The slaves were uprooted from their homeland(s, plural), brought to a new country with an entirely different ecosystem - different plants, different trees, different animals - and then further, children were ripped from their mothers’ arms ASAP, and often forbidden to be taught any knowledge whatsoever, except what their masters wanted them to know. They did not know how to hunt, fish, trap, or anything anymore - even if that knowledge would have transferred from Africa to the new place (somewhere in the Americas or whatever), it is not genetic and would have needed to have been taught, but largely b/c of concerns that the children be taught a particular subset of Christianity without being tainted by the old religions of their homeland, any kind of teaching of old knowledge was expressly forbidden. Those multi-generational slaves certainly did not know how to read, write, balance finances, perform maintenance/upkeep of a home or farm - except those activities that they used to perform as slaves, and even those were often so highly narrow & specialized as to be almost useless on their own - e.g. if you knew how to hammer nails into wood, then how would you learn where do you get the nails from in the first place? (or the hammer? and why/when would you even do it in the first place?). It is no wonder that starving people turned to crime, in order to eat! And yes, depression, and even drug use (though “drug addiction” is by no means in the sole purview of former slaves: one look at how many middle-class white people who have fallen prey to it in recent years is enough to show us that!).
Especially since slavery was only one, admittedly large, part of the overall problem. Driving while black, walking while black, running while black, buying while black, selling while black - it’s almost like doing ANYTHING while being black is enough to get someone killed! - and not just by a criminal, BY THE POLICE, WHO HAVE LEGALLY GOTTEN AWAY WITH IT, for centuries now!! (the number of black people who manage to shoot themselves in the back, then subsequently also in the head, is staggering…; and just so we do not gloss over that too quickly, keep in mind that it is medically, physically impossible for someone to shoot themselves in the back, and then also the head - i.e., it is 100% more likely that the policeman shot the person in the back, and then the head, but then the friendly coroner ruled it as a “suicide” for…reasons) The persecution of black people, often for no reason whatsoever but yes, sometimes b/c they did not act conciliatory enough (though again I direct your attention to sometimes it happening for no reason whatsoever, so even being 100% conciliatory, 100% of the time is insufficient to avoid incurring the wrath of an angry young white person who just felt like raping/killing/stealing from a former slave, AT ANY TIME), has continued ever since slavery ended.
But I have hit the word limit. :-|
I think you missed to attach a link somewhere?
Thank you! It was https://youtu.be/hsxukOPEdgg?si=bHZrY9n2qSygpBPf, especially starting about 6-7 minutes in but really the whole episode talks about the topic of the OP. The sandwiches comment is at ~7:45. Enjoy!:-)
What’s scary and sad is, we haven’t done anything to civilize them but we have done plenty to molest them with “christian” values such as bigotry and hate and religious nut jobbery. Africa is the cradle of all human civilization, and somehow we’ve devolved from there into tribal jerks and white nationalist scumbags.