The authorities said that 180 people had been arrested after protesters burned cars and buildings for the second night in a row in response to the killing of a 17-year-old driver by a police officer.
Public services have been crapified for 20 years. The whole retirement age? The money put aside for the boomer retirement transition was used for corporate subsidies. The money saved by making the poorer work longer is less than tax breaks given to the top deciles. Each time a public service earns money it is given to friends (Vinci is a big one) in the private market. High value medical acts are moved to private hospitals who don’t offer the lower value ones. Parking spaces, highways, state lottery… All given away. Capped electricity contract is being shut down slowly as EDF is being forced to sell energy at loss to pseudo competitors that only sell it at market price to the same customers. Government employees (except for the top one of course) have had their pay stalled for 15(?) Years leading to a current crisis where only the worst want to work as teachers, police etc.
And the last riot is “only” a George Floyd moment, not the first, against a police which has become more violent for 20 years, 7/10 of which votes for a fascist party (literally founded by a former Waffen SS), that cover their tracks by issuing false reports and having an audit service which is internal only.
So… Hopefully the trend will reverse but the outlook for France is currently bleak.
Lower taxes, subsidies, avoiding government prices hikes, public policy regarding police action - all sorts of things - this article explains it pretty well
From 62 to 64, and they rioted. For comparison Canada retirement age is 65 and many is states is 67. Your statement implies that the French retirement age is an outlier and it’s really not.
There’s an army of institutions and economists who reviewed the issue over and over with 1 conclusion: there were many different solutions, raising the retirement age was ONE of them. So this was not necessary. This was a choice.
The system is a “simple” in/out equation. Twice in the past years this government has reduced the money in. Now they tell everyone they “saved” the system and there was no other solution. That’s all BS.
And by the way: looks like they couldn’t even do their math properly, because the system will still run a deficit by 2030. They counted some revenue twice.
So much for “the experts”…
If you’re talking about the recent policy, the protests did not fix that. The president ignored public opinion, the labor unions, and then ignored Parliament, who voted against the measure, and forced it through. It’ll be interesting to see if that ends up permanent. If macron lasts longer than the new retirement age.
June 4th, 2023, 300 Germans set fire to police barricades and attacked Leipzig police officers. The rioters were protesting jail sentences for people who attacked neo-nazis.
These are protests to breaches by authority against standing political, social and economic infrastructure rather than the infrastructure itself you are referring to; that infrastructure is as in place in France as it is in Germany.
This is like making fun of a fireman using a bucket of water that’s twice as large as your bucket to put out a house fire.
They pay twice as much in taxes. Vs the ludicrous cost of most basic citizen necessities in the United States .
Pay twice as much in taxes, you get affordable/basically free healthcare and adorable/basically free higher education(medical school is 2k a year in France). Affordable, reliable long-distance transportation/physical transportation infrastructure, a living and functional social security, but sure. Careful of those taxes you could pay that would cover all basic human necessities plus all major financial concerns until you croak.
As an example, instead of paying $3,000 in taxes per year, you could pay $6,000 in taxes per year, and you would be free to pursue any education you liked, including medical school, for $1000-$2000 per year instead of paying 30k per year just to learn core classes. Good thing you saved that 3k during tax season.
Thank you, this is my point: Other countries are doing healthcare and education better than the US, cheaper for everyone, with less bureaucracy and better results.
Sounds a lot like “it’s not my problem until it actually affects me personally”.
I don’t know why people want to avoid paying as little taxes as possible when it basically improves the infrastructures/services in their own communities.
Sounds a lot like “it’s not my problem until it actually affects me personally”.
That is, fundamentally, the definition of “my problem”. If I’m not effected, it isn’t my problem, simply by nature of not effecting me. Not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make with it.
I don’t know why people want to avoid paying as little taxes as possible when it basically improves the infrastructures/services in their own communities
Because I have little interest in community services and infrastructure.
I mean, when you consider the US government spends more (almost twice as much) on healthcare per capita than most countries with free healthcare, you’re literally paying more taxes for it AND you have to shell out 50k$ when something bad happens.
Your only argument is “Taxes bad” even when we’re talking about a system that would actually cost less taxes, just because it has a side effect of also helping less fortunate people.
Thats why they get the good stuff. Gotta keep the leaders honest with a few riots and manure deliveries to their homes.
I’d use a past tense here. Recent (20y) riots have not stopped the recent governments from trying to kill the french supportive state.
They haven’t stopped it YET. The unrest is ongoing.
Public services have been crapified for 20 years. The whole retirement age? The money put aside for the boomer retirement transition was used for corporate subsidies. The money saved by making the poorer work longer is less than tax breaks given to the top deciles. Each time a public service earns money it is given to friends (Vinci is a big one) in the private market. High value medical acts are moved to private hospitals who don’t offer the lower value ones. Parking spaces, highways, state lottery… All given away. Capped electricity contract is being shut down slowly as EDF is being forced to sell energy at loss to pseudo competitors that only sell it at market price to the same customers. Government employees (except for the top one of course) have had their pay stalled for 15(?) Years leading to a current crisis where only the worst want to work as teachers, police etc.
And the last riot is “only” a George Floyd moment, not the first, against a police which has become more violent for 20 years, 7/10 of which votes for a fascist party (literally founded by a former Waffen SS), that cover their tracks by issuing false reports and having an audit service which is internal only.
So… Hopefully the trend will reverse but the outlook for France is currently bleak.
For more data on police killings:
https://bastamag.net/webdocs/police/
Hell yeah!
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Lower taxes, subsidies, avoiding government prices hikes, public policy regarding police action - all sorts of things - this article explains it pretty well
https://time.com/5476534/french-protests-successful-macron/?amp=true
You left out the higher retirement age.
From 62 to 64, and they rioted. For comparison Canada retirement age is 65 and many is states is 67. Your statement implies that the French retirement age is an outlier and it’s really not.
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There’s an army of institutions and economists who reviewed the issue over and over with 1 conclusion: there were many different solutions, raising the retirement age was ONE of them. So this was not necessary. This was a choice.
The system is a “simple” in/out equation. Twice in the past years this government has reduced the money in. Now they tell everyone they “saved” the system and there was no other solution. That’s all BS.
And by the way: looks like they couldn’t even do their math properly, because the system will still run a deficit by 2030. They counted some revenue twice. So much for “the experts”…
Rioting didn’t help to stop that.
If you’re talking about the recent policy, the protests did not fix that. The president ignored public opinion, the labor unions, and then ignored Parliament, who voted against the measure, and forced it through. It’ll be interesting to see if that ends up permanent. If macron lasts longer than the new retirement age.
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Actually:
June 4th, 2023, 300 Germans set fire to police barricades and attacked Leipzig police officers. The rioters were protesting jail sentences for people who attacked neo-nazis.
Source:
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2023/06/04/europe/leipzig-germany-lina-e-far-left-protest-intl/index.html
These are protests to breaches by authority against standing political, social and economic infrastructure rather than the infrastructure itself you are referring to; that infrastructure is as in place in France as it is in Germany.
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You said “We have the same stuff in Germany without burning shit down…”
The article I replied with references Germans “burning shit down” this month to effect change.
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Ah yes, “The Economy”, the favorite catch all of politicians.
I don’t know about you, but from here it looks like it’s going to go to shit whether we burn stuff or not.
France has astronomically higher taxes that the US does.
“Astronomically”.
This is like making fun of a fireman using a bucket of water that’s twice as large as your bucket to put out a house fire.
They pay twice as much in taxes. Vs the ludicrous cost of most basic citizen necessities in the United States .
Pay twice as much in taxes, you get affordable/basically free healthcare and adorable/basically free higher education(medical school is 2k a year in France). Affordable, reliable long-distance transportation/physical transportation infrastructure, a living and functional social security, but sure. Careful of those taxes you could pay that would cover all basic human necessities plus all major financial concerns until you croak.
As an example, instead of paying $3,000 in taxes per year, you could pay $6,000 in taxes per year, and you would be free to pursue any education you liked, including medical school, for $1000-$2000 per year instead of paying 30k per year just to learn core classes. Good thing you saved that 3k during tax season.
I’d certainly rather have lower taxes and only pay for services I actually fucking want.
You don’t want health care, social security or education?
You think that right now your taxes are only paying for things you want?
You’d rather pay $33000 for an emergency appendectomy you had no preparation for than $4000?
Not to the extent that I would be paying in taxes under a socialized system, no.
Lack of perfection is not an excuse for not pursuing improvement.
Implying you would rather pay an extra 30k for a surgery.
There’s no “extent”. You get the same or better services(France is ranked 7th in healthcare, US is 30th worldwide), but far cheaper.
https://ceoworld.biz/2021/04/27/revealed-countries-with-the-best-health-care-systems-2021/
Thank you, this is my point: Other countries are doing healthcare and education better than the US, cheaper for everyone, with less bureaucracy and better results.
Sounds a lot like “it’s not my problem until it actually affects me personally”.
I don’t know why people want to avoid paying as little taxes as possible when it basically improves the infrastructures/services in their own communities.
That is, fundamentally, the definition of “my problem”. If I’m not effected, it isn’t my problem, simply by nature of not effecting me. Not exactly sure what point you’re trying to make with it.
Because I have little interest in community services and infrastructure.
My man here has decided community services like The Fire Department and infrastructure like The Roads are not important to him.
I mean, when you consider the US government spends more (almost twice as much) on healthcare per capita than most countries with free healthcare, you’re literally paying more taxes for it AND you have to shell out 50k$ when something bad happens.
Your only argument is “Taxes bad” even when we’re talking about a system that would actually cost less taxes, just because it has a side effect of also helping less fortunate people.
How much more egocentric can you get lmao
Lmao what? France gets the good stuff?