FWIW, I’m a liberal gun nut, so I read a lot about these issues from both sides, though I shy away from the obviously partisan stuff.
As for finding yourself in the wrong place? How often has this happened to you? Was just laughing with a new coworker about how South Chicago ain’t what it’s made out to be. When I was young and dumb, I put myself in many dangerous parts of a few different towns. Had I been carrying a gun? Not sure I would have ever had occasion to draw it.
Got another unusual take; I’m middle-aged and have small children. Just saying, I’m not about to downplay school shootings, but at the same time, I’ve been around the block.
Yes, for first world countries, it’s a uniquely shitty thing, no doubt. Didn’t use to happen, and we Americans have always had ass loads of guns. Columbine kicked it off. Lots to talk about there.
Everytown tracks every time a firearm discharges a live round inside or into a school building or on or onto a school campus or grounds, as documented by the press.
Exactly as I said. Here’s the latest “shooting” I found - 12/05/23. Someone shot a cop on school grounds. While I’m no fan of the police, that sort of thing isn’t what we’re all thinking of when we hear “school shooting”.
Kinda weird that you threw China in though, where civilians can’t own weapons. And saying that school shootings happen “a lot”? That makes me think you’re reacting from emotions and not facts, reacting to news stories, ya know the “bleeds = leads” thing, and not facts. That and the snarky finish.
Also, Chicago like NYC has become a lot “safer” in many areas due to cameras, “proactive” policing, etc. Come to Detroit sometime, we don’t have money yet for “cool” stuff like that. See what kind of a difference it makes lol. Even back in the day, Chicago and Detroit went back and forth as the murder capitals of the US (NYC got in there too a lot). Those numbers weren’t just relatively high, they were absolutely just high on their own. Just because you never had trouble yourself, doesn’t mean… Blah blah blah. Happy New Year btw
Yeah, not proud of the snarky finish, but I think we’re definitely talking past each other a bit either way.
Side note: even without guns, China has a surprisingly high incidence of mass attacks at primary schools – with weapons other than guns. Knives are the most common, ppl on a rampage don’t mind putting in the extra work if they have to I guess… But yeah. Primary schools.
Its cool to be a contrarian on the internet, but I’ve got two young children too, and tbf any violence in schools is too much. Honestly don’t give a shit if even 99% of “shootings” were just that (they’re not, but still), that 1% is no less serious of a problem than if it was 99%.
Especially since, again, we’re somehow the only country in the world that has such a problem keeping kids from getting murdered at school.
Columbine kicked off the school shooting thing. Want infinite notoriety? Want to commit suicide by cop? Shoot up a school. Did ya know those assholes had a failed pipe bomb? Imagine if that had worked. We might be looking at a whole different issue.
Anyway, I suspect we agree on much. As to guns, I’ll keep saying this; America doesn’t have a gun problem, America has a culture problem.
FWIW, I’m a liberal gun nut, so I read a lot about these issues from both sides, though I shy away from the obviously partisan stuff.
As for finding yourself in the wrong place? How often has this happened to you? Was just laughing with a new coworker about how South Chicago ain’t what it’s made out to be. When I was young and dumb, I put myself in many dangerous parts of a few different towns. Had I been carrying a gun? Not sure I would have ever had occasion to draw it.
Got another unusual take; I’m middle-aged and have small children. Just saying, I’m not about to downplay school shootings, but at the same time, I’ve been around the block.
Yes, for first world countries, it’s a uniquely shitty thing, no doubt. Didn’t use to happen, and we Americans have always had ass loads of guns. Columbine kicked it off. Lots to talk about there.
But here’s the internet’s most anti-gun advocates proving my point:
Exactly as I said. Here’s the latest “shooting” I found - 12/05/23. Someone shot a cop on school grounds. While I’m no fan of the police, that sort of thing isn’t what we’re all thinking of when we hear “school shooting”.
Kinda weird that you threw China in though, where civilians can’t own weapons. And saying that school shootings happen “a lot”? That makes me think you’re reacting from emotions and not facts, reacting to news stories, ya know the “bleeds = leads” thing, and not facts. That and the snarky finish.
Also, Chicago like NYC has become a lot “safer” in many areas due to cameras, “proactive” policing, etc. Come to Detroit sometime, we don’t have money yet for “cool” stuff like that. See what kind of a difference it makes lol. Even back in the day, Chicago and Detroit went back and forth as the murder capitals of the US (NYC got in there too a lot). Those numbers weren’t just relatively high, they were absolutely just high on their own. Just because you never had trouble yourself, doesn’t mean… Blah blah blah. Happy New Year btw
Yeah, not proud of the snarky finish, but I think we’re definitely talking past each other a bit either way.
Side note: even without guns, China has a surprisingly high incidence of mass attacks at primary schools – with weapons other than guns. Knives are the most common, ppl on a rampage don’t mind putting in the extra work if they have to I guess… But yeah. Primary schools.
Its cool to be a contrarian on the internet, but I’ve got two young children too, and tbf any violence in schools is too much. Honestly don’t give a shit if even 99% of “shootings” were just that (they’re not, but still), that 1% is no less serious of a problem than if it was 99%.
Especially since, again, we’re somehow the only country in the world that has such a problem keeping kids from getting murdered at school.
Now we’re talking!
Columbine kicked off the school shooting thing. Want infinite notoriety? Want to commit suicide by cop? Shoot up a school. Did ya know those assholes had a failed pipe bomb? Imagine if that had worked. We might be looking at a whole different issue.
Anyway, I suspect we agree on much. As to guns, I’ll keep saying this; America doesn’t have a gun problem, America has a culture problem.