Steam exclusive content of games isn’t a good thing. Moreover, it’s only a limitation of current technology until better hardware and software are developed. The Switch 2 can be better than Steam deck.
Deck 2 won’t be better because just like last time people like you overhype it to science fiction. It’s not a PC that plays games, its a Linux based operating system that requires Proton. You people falsely believe Valve is promoting Linux. Hardware specs aren’t good enough and cheap Valve doesn’t want to pay more.
Nintendo has proven to create handheld devices before Valve was a company. Valve doesn’t care about gaming, Nintendo cares about their games.
It’s a shame Nintendo doesn’t care about their customers. I can’t buy games for wii, wiiU or 3DS, but I can still get games I bought in 2005 on steam.
Your point about “it’s not a pc” is strange, what constitutes a pc to you?
Gabe Newell did a whole speech on why Valve is supporting linux and free software. That’s why SteamDeck isn’t locked down. You can install windows, or play games on Linux from gog.com, or Epic Games, itch.io etc etc.
Steam deck is lock down, so many problems would be solved if they opened source it. Proton is a software and not the reason Steam Deck is able to run games. You can install Wine and the same result will happen. No you couldn’t install any Linux, many tried.
Trusting billionaires yes what a great answer. Why not trust Amazon, Facebook and X CEOs aswell. If you think Gable is innocent then you are ignoring the many lawsuits Valve corporations committed.
Pretty dedicated one if so. There are comments on the account going back months talking about how valve and steam deck suck. Either got burned on a deck purchase somehow or a huge switch fanboy I figure.
Steam deck closed Source = yes
Proof it’s not? Tell me, i know you won’t find it because it’s not open source.
Proton the reason for the ability to play windows games = yes
You can’t play windows games on Linux, unless you’re telling me otherwise.
Steam Deck has problems with smaller Linux operating environments = yes
Big Linux operating environments will always have users who support steam deck unlike smaller communities. Also, Linux that do everything to protect your privacy will never allow steam deck to function because YOU AGREE IN STEAM USER AGREEMENT. To allow the program to track you.
Steam deck closed Source = yes
Proof it’s not? Tell me, i know you won’t find it because it’s not open source.
Proton the reason for the ability to play windows games = yes
You can’t play windows games on Linux, unless you’re telling me otherwise.
Steam Deck has problems with smaller Linux operating environments = yes
Big Linux operating environments will always have users who support steam deck unlike smaller communities. Also, Linux that do everything to protect your privacy will never allow steam deck to function because YOU AGREE IN STEAM USER AGREEMENT. To allow the program to track you.
Steam deck closed Source = yes
Proof it’s not? Tell me, i know you won’t find it because it’s not open source.
Proton the reason for the ability to play windows games = yes
You can’t play windows games on Linux, unless you’re telling me otherwise.
Steam Deck has problems with smaller Linux operating environments = yes
Big Linux operating environments will always have users who support steam deck unlike smaller communities. Also, Linux that do everything to protect your privacy will never allow steam deck to function because YOU AGREE IN STEAM USER AGREEMENT. To allow the program to track you.
Proton is a software and not the reason Steam Deck is able to run games.
Proton the reason for the ability to play windows games = yes
You’re contradicting yourself. The second quote is correct, and no one is debating you on that…
You can install Wine and the same result will happen.
Also, Proton depends on Wine, so of course they perform similarly. What “result” are you referring to? It’s not clear what you’re getting at.
Steam deck is lock down, so many problems would be solved if they opened source it.
What element(s) of the Deck are “locked down” to its detriment? You can install Windows on it if you’d like, rendering this whole discussion about Proton pointless.
Trusting billionaires yes what a great answer. Why not trust Amazon, Facebook and X CEOs aswell. If you think Gable is innocent then you are ignoring the many lawsuits Valve corporations committed.
No one here is advocating that you trust billionaires. All I’m seeing is a bunch of people saying that the Deck is a good product that works well for its intended use case. What’s wrong with that?
All current and past criminal cases here
From what I can see, none of the cases listed are criminal cases. May I ask which of these cases we should care about as consumers?
How do you not view breaking the EU laws of GEO lock has not a criminal conviction. It was put into law before Valve moved to EU. Valve knew about the law and broke it with 5 other publishers. It’s a criminal act as stated in court documents.
Nintendo cares about their games so much when they come out with a new system they dont even let you purchase games from the previous system anymore. Nintendo lets things die. And they also sell their games at insane prices with lackluster specs. You can buy Doom on the switch that youd be lucky to get 30fps out of for about $60 probably $50 used for the switch. You can buy a used ps4 version of it that will run almost twice as fast for like $10 maybe $15. Mixed in with the fact that nintendo throws people in prison for remixing or even releasing period soundtracks to games many that NINTENDO WONT EVEN LET YOU BUY FROM THEM. Yeah thats a grreeeaaaatt company that cares about their games and community alright. Lmfao also it is hilarious someone defending the Switch talking about subpar hardware my phone can run games at a higher fps than my switch
I am still just astounded that they are no longer supporting the Wii and have no option for people who loved it. And so many nontraditional gamers loved it. Causal exercisers loved it. Sports players that wanted something to do on a rainy day loved it. My father, in his late 70s, bought a Wii when it came out. Nursing homes were installing Wiis. It was a system getting people up and moving, it was cheap, and you didn’t have to strap a big thing to your head.
And it’s gone now. You can’t even run it on a lot of TVs without an adapter because it uses component video and they never made an HDMI version. I get that the Wii U failed, but wow is that short-sighted to lose so many new gamers just because your next-gen console didn’t catch on.
Even now, Nintendo could release a Wii like the NES Classic with a limited number of games like Wii Sports and it would be a massive seller.
Great examples. I actually bought Doom (2016) on my Switch on sale for like $40 only to realize it runs at like 20 fps and was totally unplayable. Meanwhile in December I bought every Doom game in a Steam bundle for $15 during the winter sale and they all play 60fps on my Steam Deck OLED. I’m never playing my Switch again
Steam just killed CSGO with no possible way to replay it. They killed the card game, completely unplayable. VR Alyx is still only exclusively for VR, you have to get a user made mod to play. Proton development is not worked by employees of Valve, Github shows zero contribution from the lazy programmers.
Don’t talk about the small details of Nintendo games when Valve has done nothing for gaming.
Valve literally runs the proton development team lmao. It’s a downstream of wine with lots of additions like dxvk which translates GPU instructions from DX to Vulkan. Without proton, wine would be like a solid several years behind. All open source of course, so feel free to pull request or fork (which many people have).
I would bet actual money that the Switch 2 will be less powerful than the current Steam Deck. Nintendo is really good at making low powered handhelds. The Switch was the first Nintendo handheld that actually used any serious hardware.
The current switch is highly customized for Nintendo’s design and game development. It absolutely struggles to even emulate GameCube games because it doesn’t have enough juice to run anything besides native Switch games.
Steam Deck on the other hand has more than enough power to comfortably emulate Switch games, and easily any older consoles. Additionally, linux has been shown to run both native and windows games better than windows.
Wine Is Not an Emulator. All it has to do is translate APIs for windows only games, not emulate a whole windows machine. It is extremely effective, which allows Linux to provide equivalent if not better game performance.
Valve cares a lot more about making all games accessible to their customers and allowing the community to participate in modding. Nintendo cares a lot more about making AAA games and protecting their IPs. They are almost complete opposites in the video game industry lol.
The top 6 contributors are 4 from codeweavers and 2 from valve my guy.
Even then, codeweavers are their proton development partner, because they actually spent money on a qualified team of wine hackers with years of experience.
Steam exclusive content of games isn’t a good thing. Moreover, it’s only a limitation of current technology until better hardware and software are developed. The Switch 2 can be better than Steam deck.
great, because nobody asked for that anyways.
and the Deck 2 will be better than the Switch 2. what’s your point?
Deck 2 won’t be better because just like last time people like you overhype it to science fiction. It’s not a PC that plays games, its a Linux based operating system that requires Proton. You people falsely believe Valve is promoting Linux. Hardware specs aren’t good enough and cheap Valve doesn’t want to pay more.
Nintendo has proven to create handheld devices before Valve was a company. Valve doesn’t care about gaming, Nintendo cares about their games.
It’s a shame Nintendo doesn’t care about their customers. I can’t buy games for wii, wiiU or 3DS, but I can still get games I bought in 2005 on steam.
Your point about “it’s not a pc” is strange, what constitutes a pc to you?
Gabe Newell did a whole speech on why Valve is supporting linux and free software. That’s why SteamDeck isn’t locked down. You can install windows, or play games on Linux from gog.com, or Epic Games, itch.io etc etc.
Steam deck is lock down, so many problems would be solved if they opened source it. Proton is a software and not the reason Steam Deck is able to run games. You can install Wine and the same result will happen. No you couldn’t install any Linux, many tried.
Trusting billionaires yes what a great answer. Why not trust Amazon, Facebook and X CEOs aswell. If you think Gable is innocent then you are ignoring the many lawsuits Valve corporations committed.
Oh I get it now, you’re a troll. Never mind. Continue doing your thing.
Pretty dedicated one if so. There are comments on the account going back months talking about how valve and steam deck suck. Either got burned on a deck purchase somehow or a huge switch fanboy I figure.
Just a dedicated troll that gets giggles from saying insane things and seeing the response.
Steam deck closed Source = yes
Proof it’s not? Tell me, i know you won’t find it because it’s not open source.
Proton the reason for the ability to play windows games = yes
You can’t play windows games on Linux, unless you’re telling me otherwise.
Steam Deck has problems with smaller Linux operating environments = yes
Big Linux operating environments will always have users who support steam deck unlike smaller communities. Also, Linux that do everything to protect your privacy will never allow steam deck to function because YOU AGREE IN STEAM USER AGREEMENT. To allow the program to track you.
Valve Corporation lawsuit = yes
All current and past criminal cases here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Corporation
Anyone here who is wrong, it’s you.
Not sure what I’m wrong about. I haven’t made a single claim about any hard or software in this thread. You’re sounding a bit unhinged.
Steam deck closed Source = yes
Proof it’s not? Tell me, i know you won’t find it because it’s not open source.
Proton the reason for the ability to play windows games = yes
You can’t play windows games on Linux, unless you’re telling me otherwise.
Steam Deck has problems with smaller Linux operating environments = yes
Big Linux operating environments will always have users who support steam deck unlike smaller communities. Also, Linux that do everything to protect your privacy will never allow steam deck to function because YOU AGREE IN STEAM USER AGREEMENT. To allow the program to track you.
Valve Corporation lawsuit = yes
All current and past criminal cases here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Corporation
Anyone here who is wrong, it’s you.
What the fuck are you even talking about?
Steam deck closed Source = yes
Proof it’s not? Tell me, i know you won’t find it because it’s not open source.
Proton the reason for the ability to play windows games = yes
You can’t play windows games on Linux, unless you’re telling me otherwise.
Steam Deck has problems with smaller Linux operating environments = yes
Big Linux operating environments will always have users who support steam deck unlike smaller communities. Also, Linux that do everything to protect your privacy will never allow steam deck to function because YOU AGREE IN STEAM USER AGREEMENT. To allow the program to track you.
Valve Corporation lawsuit = yes
All current and past criminal cases here https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valve_Corporation
Anyone here who is wrong, it’s you.
You’re contradicting yourself. The second quote is correct, and no one is debating you on that…
Also, Proton depends on Wine, so of course they perform similarly. What “result” are you referring to? It’s not clear what you’re getting at.
What element(s) of the Deck are “locked down” to its detriment? You can install Windows on it if you’d like, rendering this whole discussion about Proton pointless.
No one here is advocating that you trust billionaires. All I’m seeing is a bunch of people saying that the Deck is a good product that works well for its intended use case. What’s wrong with that?
From what I can see, none of the cases listed are criminal cases. May I ask which of these cases we should care about as consumers?
How do you not view breaking the EU laws of GEO lock has not a criminal conviction. It was put into law before Valve moved to EU. Valve knew about the law and broke it with 5 other publishers. It’s a criminal act as stated in court documents.
They are criminals.
Oh, you mean like how Nintendo does.
Nintendo cares about their games so much when they come out with a new system they dont even let you purchase games from the previous system anymore. Nintendo lets things die. And they also sell their games at insane prices with lackluster specs. You can buy Doom on the switch that youd be lucky to get 30fps out of for about $60 probably $50 used for the switch. You can buy a used ps4 version of it that will run almost twice as fast for like $10 maybe $15. Mixed in with the fact that nintendo throws people in prison for remixing or even releasing period soundtracks to games many that NINTENDO WONT EVEN LET YOU BUY FROM THEM. Yeah thats a grreeeaaaatt company that cares about their games and community alright. Lmfao also it is hilarious someone defending the Switch talking about subpar hardware my phone can run games at a higher fps than my switch
I am still just astounded that they are no longer supporting the Wii and have no option for people who loved it. And so many nontraditional gamers loved it. Causal exercisers loved it. Sports players that wanted something to do on a rainy day loved it. My father, in his late 70s, bought a Wii when it came out. Nursing homes were installing Wiis. It was a system getting people up and moving, it was cheap, and you didn’t have to strap a big thing to your head.
And it’s gone now. You can’t even run it on a lot of TVs without an adapter because it uses component video and they never made an HDMI version. I get that the Wii U failed, but wow is that short-sighted to lose so many new gamers just because your next-gen console didn’t catch on.
Even now, Nintendo could release a Wii like the NES Classic with a limited number of games like Wii Sports and it would be a massive seller.
But they don’t.
I don’t get it.
Great examples. I actually bought Doom (2016) on my Switch on sale for like $40 only to realize it runs at like 20 fps and was totally unplayable. Meanwhile in December I bought every Doom game in a Steam bundle for $15 during the winter sale and they all play 60fps on my Steam Deck OLED. I’m never playing my Switch again
Steam just killed CSGO with no possible way to replay it. They killed the card game, completely unplayable. VR Alyx is still only exclusively for VR, you have to get a user made mod to play. Proton development is not worked by employees of Valve, Github shows zero contribution from the lazy programmers.
Don’t talk about the small details of Nintendo games when Valve has done nothing for gaming.
Valve literally runs the proton development team lmao. It’s a downstream of wine with lots of additions like dxvk which translates GPU instructions from DX to Vulkan. Without proton, wine would be like a solid several years behind. All open source of course, so feel free to pull request or fork (which many people have).
I would bet actual money that the Switch 2 will be less powerful than the current Steam Deck. Nintendo is really good at making low powered handhelds. The Switch was the first Nintendo handheld that actually used any serious hardware.
The current switch is highly customized for Nintendo’s design and game development. It absolutely struggles to even emulate GameCube games because it doesn’t have enough juice to run anything besides native Switch games.
Steam Deck on the other hand has more than enough power to comfortably emulate Switch games, and easily any older consoles. Additionally, linux has been shown to run both native and windows games better than windows.
Wine Is Not an Emulator. All it has to do is translate APIs for windows only games, not emulate a whole windows machine. It is extremely effective, which allows Linux to provide equivalent if not better game performance.
Valve cares a lot more about making all games accessible to their customers and allowing the community to participate in modding. Nintendo cares a lot more about making AAA games and protecting their IPs. They are almost complete opposites in the video game industry lol.
No one in Valve works in Proton’s development. You can’t lie your way out of GitHub contributions history, you can see it and i can see it.
The top 6 contributors are 4 from codeweavers and 2 from valve my guy.
Even then, codeweavers are their proton development partner, because they actually spent money on a qualified team of wine hackers with years of experience.
What… The fuck have you been smoking? Not a single word you wrote down has any logic to it, you gotta be trying to sound this stupid.
People say you’ll be able to play games
You don’t play games, it’s a false statement. Linux limitations restrict your access to many games.
Batteries are better
No, they were average
Buy anywhere
No, you can’t EU had to wait entire year and Asia is exclusively for a unknown 3rd party market.
Use as a office PC
Nope, you’re not going anywhere with that tiny screen to type stuff for work. Additional hardware is required.
Offline play
Still under DRM rules for games and still 30 days requirement to authenticate your ownership.
It’s overhyped jackass
Don’t play games, huh? I must’ve been merely playing with my imagination.
Also, tell me you’ve never even touched a Deck without telling me you’ve never touched a Deck.