• ConstableJelly
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    11 year ago

    Seriously, I get it. It’s fucking infuriating, but again…what’s the alternative? Is there some way in which this moral rigidity is not holding patients hostage in an impotent effort to force change in a broader healthcare industry?

    There are alternative and more effective methods of effecting change that don’t involve sacrificing life or well-being. I implore anyone who’s rightfully disgusted by this reality to grit your teeth and help people however you can, and direct your ire where it’s best deserved.

    • @AllonzeeLV
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      You do realize that gritting our teeth and helping others through the intentional hostage situation of “but you gotta pay the shareholders first to be allowed to do it” is just further prolonging and further entrenching this sick system?

      At some point, if the people don’t say enough, let it all come crashing down, and rebuild a more equitable system, then our children and our children’s children will be even more exploited, more commodified, and more dehumanized.

      I’m being the change I want to see in the world by saying e-fucking-nough, you want to squeeze those sick people for their last nickel, do it yourself. My blood won’t be your leverage.

      This greed disease can cause pain in perpetuity, generationally, or we can let it collapse and endure the pain of reconstruction. There’s gonna be a lot of pain, suffering, and unnecessary death either way. But only one has genuine hope in the long term. Nothing will make our current economy more equitable over time. It’s going the other way by design. It is working as intended.

      • ConstableJelly
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        21 year ago

        At some point, if the people don’t say enough, let it all come crashing down, and rebuild a more equitable system

        Who’s organizing this? Your withdrawal isn’t part of some collective movement, it is solitary and impotent. It is harmful. There’s no board room hosting the league of evil medical barons, no agenda item about how Allonzee stopped donating blood so they’d better start taking things seriously. You’re not changing anything, and squeezing sick people isn’t a necessary step in effecting change anyway.

        There’s no “we” and there’s no collapsing. These systems persist despite your personal rebellion, because they’re really good at persisting until faced with overwhelming collective action. Until then, fucking help people.

        Sorry friend, it’s not really about you. But a lot of good people who care about inequity have let their pride convince them that systems will implode if they personally choose to stop participating in them. That’s not how it works. The only people feeling any hurt are the innocents in your own communities.

        • @AllonzeeLV
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          “You don’t need a formal conspiracy when interests converge. These people went to the same universities, they’re on the same boards of directors, they’re in the same country clubs. They have like interests, they don’t need to call a meeting. They know what’s good for them.”

          -George Carlin, from an episode of Politically Incorrect

          I’m more than aware we are doomed and we will only continue to live further in service to them until they succeed in destroying the very air we all breath. I can only control myself, not the millions of people that continue to serve them against their own interests. I do what I consider right without hope or expectation of reward in a fully compromised and unethical society.

          • ConstableJelly
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            11 year ago

            Based on this conversation, what you consider right has a lot more in common with pride and laziness than it does with moral integrity. You say a lot of revolutionary words about dismantling power structures before finally admitting you’re just shrugging your shoulders in your own little corner.

            • @AllonzeeLV
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              I can’t dismantle them by myself. I can’t fight the storm by myself.

              That doesn’t mean im going to get a sledgehammer and start helping the storm knock over houses.

              Have a good one.