In late December, 77 groups — representing tens of thousands of lawyers, civil society leaders, and activists from six continents — filed an amicus brief in a lawsuit that Palestinian human rights organizations, residents of Gaza, and U.S. citizens with family members impacted by Israel’s ongoing assault brought against the Biden administration.
According to Law for Palestine, a human rights and legal advocacy organization, there have been at least 500 instances of Israeli lawmakers, officials, and officers inciting genocide.
Sourani said that the statements by Israeli officials, along with the actual blockade, the indiscriminate attacks on civilians and civilian buildings, the basic lack of safe space, and the mass displacement of millions of Palestinians makes it clear: “All of this is tantamount to genocide.”
The plaintiffs responded to the administration’s motion to dismiss on December 22, arguing that there is precedent for U.S. courts to adjudicate questions surrounding genocide and that their legal challenge is about more than the actions of a foreign state. Rather, the plaintiffs argued, their injuries are “fairly traceable” to the actions of the U.S. government. “The suggestion that the U.S. does not or cannot influence Israel borders on the absurd, not least because the Israeli government acknowledges its actions could not happen without U.S. license and support, and Defendants have boasted about their coordination with and influence over Israel,” the plaintiffs wrote.
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the nazis absolutely killed children for all sorts of despicable reasons. Could you at least make your point without relaitivizing fucking Nazi crimes?
As far as I know the Nazis did not execute children when they went into French villages killing 10 random French people for every German person killed by the Resistance Française, which is the context that’s all around the text you quoted but didn’t include.
They did however kill children in other situations, such as when executing their Final Solution.
I do take your point that the Israeli Government are just as bad as Nazis (or at least getting close to it) rather than worse than Nazis, since the latter would be almost impossible, except perhaps if the Israelis do as a member of the Israeli Government already suggested and nuke Gaza (members of the Israeli Government seriously considering that are probably worse than Nazis).
the Nazis mudered around 70000 french jews during the Shoa, many of them children. what’s your point?
I really don’t get why it is so difficult to shit on Netanyahu and his fellows without resorting to insensitive/antisemitic language. He’s full of shit, yes, and the IDF is commiting reprehensible war crimes. But no, there is no comparison to be made with Nazis. The Shoa stands for itself.
It is sickening to see how there are so many pro-palestinan voices for peace who avoid this sort of language, only to drowned by so many westeners who think relativizing Nazi crimes is somehow helping palestinians
edit: just to expand a little: around 400 000 French civilians have been killed between 1939 and 1945 It’s just ridiculous. I have no idea how people can upvote made up shit like that. sorry, but this is just fucking enfuriating
Well now, that “anti-semitism” dog-whistle is just pure racism - it implies that all members of the Jewish Religion are the same (which only a racist would think), hence Israel represents all of them, hence criticism of Israel is anti-semitism.
I’m afraid that the nation state of Israel not only uses the kind of propaganda straight out of Goebbel’s little book of tricks (the “human animals” thing, murdering journalists, claiming targetting of civilians is “defense” and so on), but it even has already exceed the rate of killing of civilians of pretty much everybody but the Nazis (in 3 months it already killed 1% of the population of Gaza) and done so with even more racist arguments that Appartheid South Africa.
Go back an check your own numbers:
This isn’t yet a New Holocaust in absolute numbers, but in terms of the rate of civilian deaths it certainly has already exceeded everything else but the actual Holocaust, and we haven’t even reached the real start of the deaths by starvation because of the Food, Water and Energy blockade by Israel.
Take a wild guess at what exactly will happen when food has run out for long enough that people’s bodies start eating themselves - I do believe there are some photos from the last time somebody did something like that which you might be familiar with.
Judging by statements from several member of the Israeli cabinet, at least some of them are the kind of ultra-violent ultra-racist Fascist that wants to eliminate the “human animals” in preciselly the same spirit as the Nazis.
Maybe you should be “fucking enfuriated” towards the “unwavering” international supporters of this shit, Scholz, Biden and Sunak, because if it wasn’t for that Israel would already have moderated their actions and weakenned or removed the blockade.
ahh alright, calling out anti-semitism is racist now? You’re watering down the definition of both of these issues. Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is antisemitic. That’s not up to debate for me.
okay, typical Motte-and-bailey. you compared Israel to Nazi Germany. I called you out on that. Moreover, I called Netanyahu “full of shit” and said “IDF is committing reprehensible war crimes”. I’m criticizing Israel. Doesn’t make me an Anti-Semite. This kind of stuff always happens. “Israel is like Nazi Germany!!1” (Motte) and “Oh I’m just criticizing Israel” (Bailey)
You’re making this up. Please have at least the decency and give me sources.
The hamas killed 1200 people in a single say. that would be 108000 in 90 day, exceeding the “rate of civilian deaths” of the IDF bombing. Is this a shitty argument? yes, it is awful, and so is yours. It is a fucking tragedy and it needs to end. But why do you use these numbers to desperately frame Israel as Nazis?
Important to note: between May and July 1944, the Nazis killed over 400 000 Hungarian Jews in Auschwitz.
Again: Comparing Israel to Nazi Germany is detached from reality, and antisemitic. You are not helping anyone by doubling down on claiming it is.
Think a second about those who are actually affected by the conflict, who understand how complex and twisted it is and who genuinely look for ways to find peace. People who oppose the war, the occupation, Netanyahu’s government, Hamas. These people are drowned out by westeners entirely unaffected by the conflict, claiming to know better what is going on, and resort to simplistic, tribalistic and hateful language.
For a comparison of anything (that includes with or to Nazis and the Nazi Ideology) with the actions of the nation state of Israel by itself (no mentions of “Jews” or “Jewish Religion”) to be “anti-semitic”, you have to treat the nation state of Israel as being the equivalent to the Jewish Religion. It is logically impossible to do justify that equivalence without passing through a “all Jews are the same” or “all Jews think the same” logic step: if some Jews do not act or think the same as all others and thus do no see themselves or their religion represented by the nation state of Israel (and there are lots and lots of example of people who are both Jews and do not think Israel represents them), then Israel is not the same as the “Jewish Religion” hence criticism of Israel is not the same as criticism of the “Jewish Religion” and hence by definition it is not anti-semitic and is something else altogether.
(IF I was making claims about actual “Jews” or the “Jewish Religion”, they could indeed be anti-semitic. But I am not because I don’t even think like that: I’m judging and comparing only the actions of the nation state of Israel and purelly on their own merits and demerits and even then I very much doubt all Israelis think the same and approve of these actions, hence I often will mention the Israeli leadership, Israeli Authorities or Israeli State, as making claims for all Israeli citiziens is itself a “generalization about people born in a specific geography”, a form of racism).
That claim of yours that you know for all “Jews” what represents them all and thus that criticising said “representative” deeply insults them all, is logically anchored in the most disgusting kind of disenfranchising and denying of the individuality of human beings (in this case by being members of a specific religion) there is, hence betrays your thinking and judging along racial lines, also known as racism.
There are various cases of actual of actual Jews comparing the actions of the nation state of Israel to those of the Nazis, including a high profile case in Britain of a Holocaust Survivor making such claims, and those case should have made clear for you that by parroting that Israeli propaganda you are accusing actual Holocaust Survivor Jews of being anti-semite, implying they are “traitors to the race”, which is the worst kind of Racism imaginable, and yet here you are, parroting the racist claims that Israel represents millions of human beings whose guilt and innocence and actions should be judged as block.
(I am actually disgusted at those who assume, presume, judge, defend and convict millions of human beings purely based of their race all the while thinking “I’m not a racist because I’m being positive towards that Race”).
The unwinding of the Racism within yourself is not to “keep denying the individuality and agency of those born into a certain religion or with certain genetics, but now you’re positive towards their ‘race’”, it’s to stop treating all such people as one and stop in the name of millions of people treating some self-proclaim representative organisation as the voice, will and representative of all of them".
Assuming you’ve been indoctrinated, if ever and whenever you stop thinking like a racist, and thus stop treating everybody born into a religion and/or geography as being “all the same” and hence “all judged by different, specific metrics for that race” and “all by association ‘victims’ or ‘aggressors’” it will be plain as day just how deeply racist the claims of leadership of Israel are, not just in claiming to represent all people of an entire religion and deserving different standards of judgement and different treatment as a group, but even in how that very same way of thinking is turned around into treating an entire etnicity as “guilty by association” to justify Israel’s genocidal behaviour, very overtly treating all Palestians as being the same as Hamas, making frequent widspread claims that “Palestinians are violent” and even calling them all “human animals”.
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The israeli one is 1139
The final death toll from the attack is now thought to be 695 Israeli civilians, including 36 children, as well as 373 security forces and 71 foreigners, giving a total of 1,139.
And the Palestinian at least 23-24.000 now as the news reports every day with likely thousands unreported being buried under rubble. With around 10.000 Palestinian kids being genocided by israel.
Thanks for the source, this is unfortunate.
Please separate between Palestinian civil casualties and Hamas militant casualties.
Sure.
Since israel is bombing Palestinians indiscriminately with a ~70% child and women death rate. At least one percent of the entire population in Gaza has now been murdered.
Now we can calculate that since Hamas has 30 to 40.000 members. We do 40.000/100 =
400 Hamas members killed. And 22600 civilians massacred by israel. But let’s say 500 Hamas members for good measure of that makes you happy.
Where are these numbers come from?
From a reputable instance called the “Ministry of Health” in Gaza which has always reported very accurate numbers in the past. Or as the IDF called them: KHAMASSSS
Please provide a source