They want so badly for Joe to have no responsibility because it makes their vote easier. If you’re gonna vote for a financier of genocide and veto-er of ceasefire, you have to own that. Idc if the other guy is worse that doesn’t make Joe innocent, just recoginze that you’re also voting for a monster. Just this monster is smart enough to hurt most the people who can’t vote him in or out.
I feel like it’s telling that when you offer up any criticism of Biden, the main reply you get is “sO yOU’d rathEr HAvE tRuMP?!!?”
Well, no. But honestly if the best thing they can say about their guy is that he’s better than a blatant fascist then that’s pretty damning.
Also if they won’t tolerate any criticism because he’s a marginal improvement on the worst possible guy, then what they’re saying is that they’ll allow him to slide all the way down to being about as bad as Trump before they’ll do anything about it, and if they’d do that, then they wouldn’t do anything about it when he did get there, because the bad guy would be even worse by that point. They are enabling a rightward slide.
Honestly I see elections as voting for your preferred enemy. They are never on our side. How about this, we agree that he’s better than Trump and that any reasonable person is forced to vote for him, and then we criticise him because we want better than neoliberal austerity and genocide apologia?
If their answer is no then they don’t actually want the world to get better, just not change too much, which is basically the platonic ideal of what they call conservatism.
Honestly I see elections as voting for your preferred enemy. They are never on our side. How about this, we agree that he’s better than Trump and that any reasonable person is forced to vote for him, and then we criticise him because we want better than neoliberal austerity and genocide apologia?
Letting in the alternate is worse. Without question. I agree Biden and most of our political apparatus are problematic. But getting rid of Biden won’t change it, and will make it worse.
Here’s a hypothetical for you to answer. Would you vote to kill 100 people, or 10 people. Or choose to virtue signal, not vote, and have 100 people killed anyway. But tell yourself that you’re innocent because you didn’t try to help.
Can we talk about Biden once without someone making this about Trump? All that does is detract and put less responsibility on Biden to do better. No one talked about voting for Trump, no one talked about voting thrid party, why do you feel the need to come with Biden apologia anyway?
Can we talk about Biden once without you making this about Trump?
We literally were. You are the only person who brought Trump up. I’m simply arguing against letting fascists into power. Which is the other option whether it’s Trump, Haley, ramoswami or any of the others.
All that does is detract and put less responsibility on Biden to do better.
No, it doesn’t. And pray till how does not voting, or telling people not to vote for him. Put pressure on him in any way? It doesn’t. He’s old staff leaving over this. That puts pressure on him and we should support them in doing that. That’s likely the only thing he’ll notice and listen to.
No one talked about voting for Trump, no one talked about voting thrid party, why do you feel the need to come with Biden apologia anyway?
I literally said he was a problem and offered. No apologies or excuses. Is this all you have, strawman and demotivational talking points?
What Biden did, basically any of our politicians would have done. Because we don’t have a Biden problem, we have an Israel problem. A political problem at large. They own the hearts, minds, and wallets of the majority of politicians in the United States at the federal level.
Calling him genocide. Joe because he did what any of our leaders would have done at the UN. And have done many times over the years. Might I add. Is inaccurate, childish, and only helpful to worse people.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad that you as a young adult have just discovered what’s been going on in DC for at least 50 years. It’s just not a Biden problem. And there’s no way that we as voters can take pressure on just him and expect him to change. Not when there’s an unlimited number of other politicians who will do the exact same thing who aren’t being pressured.
Be disappointed in Joe all you want. I make a practice of being disappointed in him at least twice before breakfast every day. But can we stop amplifying, and enabling hyperbolic children who only seek to cut off our nose to spite our face. Then having to stumble around trying to triage the damage we did to ourselves rather than spend time actually organizing to make a real change. Can we maybe break the steady slide to the right? Moved on for the last century or even a few years? Or are we just going to continue being our own worst enemy?
You brought up the alternative, just because you didn’t say his name doesn’t mean it wasn’t you. Low effort cop out. Also I’ve been voting for decades now so stop with this patronizing young shit. Im probably older than you.
The cop out is yours. As I said, I realize your awareness of politics doesn’t extend back much. Trump is no worse than Bush. (You know the guy that hurriedly evacuated the family of the man whom they funded and enabled to commit the worst terrorist attack in the United States history out of the country. When the attack happened.) Or bush’s father. Or Reagan. (You know, the guy who broke the unions sold weapons to Iran and violation of our own embargo. Funding terrorists and South America and all over the globe. Including that Osama guy that did that attack at the world trade center. Remember that? ) All the damage Trump accomplished was because of Republicans and their media apparatus that they’ve spent the last 60 to 70 years building. Trump is an embarrassing clown. But then so was Bush. Republicans, fascists are the real threat.
If you’re older than me, you should know better than this. But I doubt very much that you’re older than me. There are people in their 60s. Who do you use Lemmy but they are quite rare.
Also a quick addendum. Me referring to you as being young and an experienced is not coming from a place of patronization. That you feel that it is probably speaks more to how apt it is than anything.
I don’t know you from Adam. That you might be young, enthusiastic yet the inexperienced. Is me simply trying to put the best construction on the situation. I would rather think that than that you are older and still ignorant. That is all.
Seriously man, you should try to engage in the topic, checking your comments, you are copy pasting the same line with capital letters.
These folks are pissing me off a lot less since events such as this:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/12/united-nations-general-assembly-vote-ceasefire-israel-gaza-war
They want so badly for Joe to have no responsibility because it makes their vote easier. If you’re gonna vote for a financier of genocide and veto-er of ceasefire, you have to own that. Idc if the other guy is worse that doesn’t make Joe innocent, just recoginze that you’re also voting for a monster. Just this monster is smart enough to hurt most the people who can’t vote him in or out.
I feel like it’s telling that when you offer up any criticism of Biden, the main reply you get is “sO yOU’d rathEr HAvE tRuMP?!!?”
Well, no. But honestly if the best thing they can say about their guy is that he’s better than a blatant fascist then that’s pretty damning.
Also if they won’t tolerate any criticism because he’s a marginal improvement on the worst possible guy, then what they’re saying is that they’ll allow him to slide all the way down to being about as bad as Trump before they’ll do anything about it, and if they’d do that, then they wouldn’t do anything about it when he did get there, because the bad guy would be even worse by that point. They are enabling a rightward slide.
Honestly I see elections as voting for your preferred enemy. They are never on our side. How about this, we agree that he’s better than Trump and that any reasonable person is forced to vote for him, and then we criticise him because we want better than neoliberal austerity and genocide apologia?
If their answer is no then they don’t actually want the world to get better, just not change too much, which is basically the platonic ideal of what they call conservatism.
You get no argument from me.
Letting in the alternate is worse. Without question. I agree Biden and most of our political apparatus are problematic. But getting rid of Biden won’t change it, and will make it worse.
Here’s a hypothetical for you to answer. Would you vote to kill 100 people, or 10 people. Or choose to virtue signal, not vote, and have 100 people killed anyway. But tell yourself that you’re innocent because you didn’t try to help.
Can we talk about Biden once without someone making this about Trump? All that does is detract and put less responsibility on Biden to do better. No one talked about voting for Trump, no one talked about voting thrid party, why do you feel the need to come with Biden apologia anyway?
We literally were. You are the only person who brought Trump up. I’m simply arguing against letting fascists into power. Which is the other option whether it’s Trump, Haley, ramoswami or any of the others.
No, it doesn’t. And pray till how does not voting, or telling people not to vote for him. Put pressure on him in any way? It doesn’t. He’s old staff leaving over this. That puts pressure on him and we should support them in doing that. That’s likely the only thing he’ll notice and listen to.
I literally said he was a problem and offered. No apologies or excuses. Is this all you have, strawman and demotivational talking points?
What Biden did, basically any of our politicians would have done. Because we don’t have a Biden problem, we have an Israel problem. A political problem at large. They own the hearts, minds, and wallets of the majority of politicians in the United States at the federal level.
Calling him genocide. Joe because he did what any of our leaders would have done at the UN. And have done many times over the years. Might I add. Is inaccurate, childish, and only helpful to worse people.
Don’t get me wrong. I’m glad that you as a young adult have just discovered what’s been going on in DC for at least 50 years. It’s just not a Biden problem. And there’s no way that we as voters can take pressure on just him and expect him to change. Not when there’s an unlimited number of other politicians who will do the exact same thing who aren’t being pressured.
Be disappointed in Joe all you want. I make a practice of being disappointed in him at least twice before breakfast every day. But can we stop amplifying, and enabling hyperbolic children who only seek to cut off our nose to spite our face. Then having to stumble around trying to triage the damage we did to ourselves rather than spend time actually organizing to make a real change. Can we maybe break the steady slide to the right? Moved on for the last century or even a few years? Or are we just going to continue being our own worst enemy?
You brought up the alternative, just because you didn’t say his name doesn’t mean it wasn’t you. Low effort cop out. Also I’ve been voting for decades now so stop with this patronizing young shit. Im probably older than you.
The cop out is yours. As I said, I realize your awareness of politics doesn’t extend back much. Trump is no worse than Bush. (You know the guy that hurriedly evacuated the family of the man whom they funded and enabled to commit the worst terrorist attack in the United States history out of the country. When the attack happened.) Or bush’s father. Or Reagan. (You know, the guy who broke the unions sold weapons to Iran and violation of our own embargo. Funding terrorists and South America and all over the globe. Including that Osama guy that did that attack at the world trade center. Remember that? ) All the damage Trump accomplished was because of Republicans and their media apparatus that they’ve spent the last 60 to 70 years building. Trump is an embarrassing clown. But then so was Bush. Republicans, fascists are the real threat.
If you’re older than me, you should know better than this. But I doubt very much that you’re older than me. There are people in their 60s. Who do you use Lemmy but they are quite rare.
Also a quick addendum. Me referring to you as being young and an experienced is not coming from a place of patronization. That you feel that it is probably speaks more to how apt it is than anything.
I don’t know you from Adam. That you might be young, enthusiastic yet the inexperienced. Is me simply trying to put the best construction on the situation. I would rather think that than that you are older and still ignorant. That is all.
Oh, they have no intention in engaging, they’re doing exactly what they are here to do.
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