Yes - Gaza being habitable (albeit an open-air concentration camp) prior to October 7th has everything to do with the kind of Israeli-built tunnels under the hospitals they bombed, and nothing to do with the massive bombing campaign.
It’s becoming clear why you didn’t answer where the line for genocide is, knowing that Gaza being levelled apparently has nothing to do with Israel bombing the shit out of them.
The line for genocide is when a state starts killing people based on their genes with the intent to eliminate those genes from the population. I’m not playing hide the ball. You’re the one saying it’s a genocide. I don’t have to prove why it’s not, you have to prove why it is.
You’ve made some arguments, but to me 0.004%, or even 1%, combined with the fact that Israel certainly has the means to turn Gaza and the West Bank into dust within twenty minutes, speaks for itself.
Also am able to seperate the current far right leadership in Israel from the country of Israel and the people of Israel, just as I am able to seperate Hamas from Gazans.
As far as I am concerned though, the Gazan people put Hamas in charge and sold out any country, and any hope they might of had of having Gaza as their country on October 7. I find Israel has just cause to annihilate that tunnel network. It is unfortunate the Gazans put Hamas in charge and Hamas decided to conduct their war right below people’s houses and underneath essential infrastructure. As a result, the entire area is condemned from a structural and public health standpoint. They forfeited their home on October 7 to kill like 1,000 civilians, for what, disagreeing as to which version of Sky Daddy is true? The obvious response was going to be that Israel would bomb the tunnels, it’s a just and proportionate response. When that’s done, nothing left to do but pave over the rubble and start rebuilding. Israel’s claim to Gaza may have at one time been illegal, but it’s now the superior claim, either way. Gaza is now a collapsed state, if it even was a state. Hamas used it as an instrumentality of war and terrorism and dug unsafe tunnels under the city, and the whole place is unstable now that the tunnels are bombed out. I’d call it irredentism now, because the goal is to make it habitable and goveranable again.
Remaining Hamas should be tried in court as terrorists or handled as prisoners of war. And for any found still resisting, trying to effectuate additional tunnel warfare, rocket attacks, or terrorism, a just and moral sentence is death.
The daily death tolls are going to continue trending downward though, because really, it’s not a genocide. Bet. If they do, will you admit then it’s not a genocide?
They’re an apartheid ethnostate saying the below (you get the quote dump too). Yeah - while Hamas are a product of Israeli aggression and support (to displace secular moderates to create the pretext for this genocide, which is now wearing thin with the US because of the obvious genocide, causing the slowdown), Hamas members should be tried just the same as anyone else - Israeli or otherwise.
Prime Minister Netanyahu
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil (Palestine) from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
“Defence” minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner…
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan…
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi…
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites…
I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
They (Israel/IDF) are committed to completely eliminating this evil from the world,”
and
You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible. And we do remember.
and
I don’t call them human animals because that would be insulting to animals
“Defence” minister Galant
We are fighting human animals, and we are acting accordingly
Kallner…
Nakba to the enemy now! This day is our Pearl Harbour. We will still learn the lessons. Right now, one goal: Nakba! A Nakba that will overshadow the Nakba of 48. A Nakba in Gaza and a Nakba for anyone who dares to join!
Atbaryan…
erasing all of Gaza from the face of the Earth. Gaza needs to be wiped out.
Halevi…
goals for this victory. One, there is no more Muslim land in the land of Israel. After we make it the land of Israel, Gaza should be left as a monument, like Sodom.”
In case you not studied on the Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites…
I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
You mean the unambiguous facts I bulleted out before you shifted the goalposts to intent… before attempting to shift them back when I presented unambiguous statements of intent?
With that put to rest, I’m going to invite you to point to meaningful differences between novemberpogrome-era Nazi Germany and the current state of Israel. Should be fairly straightforward.
“A few cherry picked quotes” they say, to a collection of quotes by top Israeli officials issues specifically about Gaza post 7th of October… in the background, a genocide unfolds. Is it to protect themselves from the emotional catastrophe of realizing they have been cheering for a genocide? Are they paid to do this as part of Israel’s social media campaign? Or are they just another person who looks at Palestinians but cannot in any way “detect” any humanity in them as they die before their eyes?
To anyone wondering, here I’ll help you with those names:
Prime Minister Netanyahu: Prime Minster and head of War Cabinet
Yoav Gallant: an Israeli politician and retired military general. A member of the Knesset for Likud, he has served as Minister of Defense since 2022.
Galit Distel-Atbaryan: an Israeli writer and politician currently serving as a member of the Knesset for Likud and was formerly the Minister of Information.
Ariel Kallner: an Israeli politician. He has served as a member of the Knesset for Likud since 2023, having previously served between 2020 and 2021 and from April to September 2019.
Herzi Halevi: the Chief of the General Staff of the Israel Defense Forces, having taken the oath of office on 16 January 2023.
@[email protected] even though I think you would be aware who these figures are, but I still wanted to help you understand better. Are they cherry-picked now? Or is it you who cherry-picks what to believe, almost in a manner than could require therapy?
That wasn’t your claim - you said 0.004% of the population - it’s widely, credibily reported they’ve killed over 1% of the population.
Yes - Gaza being habitable (albeit an open-air concentration camp) prior to October 7th has everything to do with the kind of Israeli-built tunnels under the hospitals they bombed, and nothing to do with the massive bombing campaign.
It’s becoming clear why you didn’t answer where the line for genocide is, knowing that Gaza being levelled apparently has nothing to do with Israel bombing the shit out of them.
The line for genocide is when a state starts killing people based on their genes with the intent to eliminate those genes from the population. I’m not playing hide the ball. You’re the one saying it’s a genocide. I don’t have to prove why it’s not, you have to prove why it is.
You’ve made some arguments, but to me 0.004%, or even 1%, combined with the fact that Israel certainly has the means to turn Gaza and the West Bank into dust within twenty minutes, speaks for itself.
Also am able to seperate the current far right leadership in Israel from the country of Israel and the people of Israel, just as I am able to seperate Hamas from Gazans.
As far as I am concerned though, the Gazan people put Hamas in charge and sold out any country, and any hope they might of had of having Gaza as their country on October 7. I find Israel has just cause to annihilate that tunnel network. It is unfortunate the Gazans put Hamas in charge and Hamas decided to conduct their war right below people’s houses and underneath essential infrastructure. As a result, the entire area is condemned from a structural and public health standpoint. They forfeited their home on October 7 to kill like 1,000 civilians, for what, disagreeing as to which version of Sky Daddy is true? The obvious response was going to be that Israel would bomb the tunnels, it’s a just and proportionate response. When that’s done, nothing left to do but pave over the rubble and start rebuilding. Israel’s claim to Gaza may have at one time been illegal, but it’s now the superior claim, either way. Gaza is now a collapsed state, if it even was a state. Hamas used it as an instrumentality of war and terrorism and dug unsafe tunnels under the city, and the whole place is unstable now that the tunnels are bombed out. I’d call it irredentism now, because the goal is to make it habitable and goveranable again.
Remaining Hamas should be tried in court as terrorists or handled as prisoners of war. And for any found still resisting, trying to effectuate additional tunnel warfare, rocket attacks, or terrorism, a just and moral sentence is death.
The daily death tolls are going to continue trending downward though, because really, it’s not a genocide. Bet. If they do, will you admit then it’s not a genocide?
They’re an apartheid ethnostate saying the below (you get the quote dump too). Yeah - while Hamas are a product of Israeli aggression and support (to displace secular moderates to create the pretext for this genocide, which is now wearing thin with the US because of the obvious genocide, causing the slowdown), Hamas members should be tried just the same as anyone else - Israeli or otherwise.
Prime Minister Netanyahu
and
and
“Defence” minister Galant
Kallner…
Atbaryan…
Halevi…
In case you don’t remember your Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
0.004% of all Palestinians. 1% of Gaza.
The claim is that there is a genocide of Palestinian people.
Genocide means they are trying for 100%.
They are - but don’t take my word for it.
Prime Minister Netanyahu
and
and
“Defence” minister Galant
Kallner…
Atbaryan…
Halevi…
In case you not studied on the Torah, here’s a refresher on the Amalekites… I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.
A few cherry picked quotes that don’t match the current facts on the ground.
You mean the unambiguous facts I bulleted out before you shifted the goalposts to intent… before attempting to shift them back when I presented unambiguous statements of intent?
With that put to rest, I’m going to invite you to point to meaningful differences between novemberpogrome-era Nazi Germany and the current state of Israel. Should be fairly straightforward.
Genocide is a question of intent? Wtf are you talking about?
I’m not familiar enough with that history to comment.
- Some forgetful dipshit too focused on defending a genocide to have a consistent definition of the word or consistent principles.
Established. Genocide.
I don’t even know what point you think you made but you failed to make it and it just sounds like gibberish.
How could I be defending a genocide if there isn’t a genocide happening?
0.004% is not genocide.
Sounds like a skill issue, Rudolph Jitler.
You, right now:
“A few cherry picked quotes” they say, to a collection of quotes by top Israeli officials issues specifically about Gaza post 7th of October… in the background, a genocide unfolds. Is it to protect themselves from the emotional catastrophe of realizing they have been cheering for a genocide? Are they paid to do this as part of Israel’s social media campaign? Or are they just another person who looks at Palestinians but cannot in any way “detect” any humanity in them as they die before their eyes?
To anyone wondering, here I’ll help you with those names:
@[email protected] even though I think you would be aware who these figures are, but I still wanted to help you understand better. Are they cherry-picked now? Or is it you who cherry-picks what to believe, almost in a manner than could require therapy?