I would love it if humanity allowed us to all live equally. If there wasn’t an overwhelming number of people that want to just take advantage of others who are willing to wait a little longer in line or give up luxuries for cheaper alternatives, it would be perfect.
Life, as beautiful as it can be, is also tainted by harsh realities. By all means, be charitable and kind when you can and help others to build a solid community. However, always be aware that there are also people that survive by draining the resources of others. As far as raw nature is concerned, both strategies are valid if it improves survival rates.
I can’t offer any magic solutions or even be a “perfect” person myself. Speaking from an animalistic point of view, my own survival depends on thinking about myself first and then the survival of my DNA second.
Thinking about the brutal realities of life is something I do often and balancing my needs with the needs of others is tough! If I die, or my resources are drained, I can’t support anyone else.
This ain’t it, chief. The “bad” people you describe are few and far between and not doing any tangible amount of harm.
You know who’s really draining resources? The rich, landlords, CEOs. Hell, even suburbanites who live with 3-stall garages and Dodge Rams are draining more resources than the proverbial “welfare queens.”
That you see these people as what stands between us and equity instead of the people who are truly responsible is by design. It’s a sick, sick world. I’m well aware of the ill-intentioned people in this world, but they’re not the ones you’re describing in your comment.
You know who’s really draining resources? The rich, landlords, CEOs.
That’s mainly who I am referring to, btw. However, I do have a much more grim view on nature itself.
Its perfectly natural to see the world through rose colored classes. Unfortunately, I have seen too much of what the common person is capable of and not just on TV. I really want to believe that everyone wants to do “the right thing” in this world. By the same token, “the right thing” has a million different definitions.
I simply accept that everyone is capable of both wonderful things and also horrific things. It doesn’t take much to push a completely sane person into insanity. As an extreme example, war can do that to people. As a simple example, someone getting served cold fries at restaurant can be just as transforming.
By no means am I saying that living your life in fear and paranoia is a normal and healthy thing. It’s not. Everyone just needs to understand the best and worst of any situation.
If anything, doing as I suggest in my top comment would drastically reduce things like violence and hoarding resources. While it’s true that we are capable of both good and bad, it is also true that inherently inequitable systems like capitalism and the state greatly exacerbate the bad.
Therefore, the proper way to address this is to replace our current unjust/inequitable systems with systems that provide basic needs to all.
As a simple example, someone getting served cold fries at restaurant can be just as transforming.
And I believe what you say, in principle. However, people are still going to be people. Unless there is a massive shift in how an entire society thinks, a fair share is simply not enough for a lot of people.
Capitalism is just a symptom of the human condition. A lot of people desire power and control and will build empires to feed those desires. IMHO, this behavior is baked into our DNA at a very primal level. When we cannot get power and control ourselves, we tend to form hierarchies under people who do. Some societies are better at it than others but it always happens, one way or another.
To say a few simple steps will be reduce violence and resource hoarding is absolutely true. Unfortunately, I have to circle back to the previous paragraph: People will always desire more power and more control and will squabble over the most trivial things in an attempt to maintain what power and resources they may already have.
Again, I wholeheartedly agree that we can improve our own lives by helping those around us. It helps to surround yourself with people of a similar mindset, actually. However, I choose not to minimize the hell that is mother nature and what has shaped life on this planet for millions of years.
I’ve seen people lose their shit. I’ve worked in customer service. Most of it stems from the stress of living under capitalism and the pressures of a hierarchical state.
There’s a lot to unpack here, but I’d urge you to read Mutual Aid by Peter Kropotkin. Even just the first chapter or two, I think would change your opinion about human nature. I’ve experienced many setbacks, but I’ve seldom been so cynical to think that human nature is inherently selfish and greedy. TL;DR of that book, our ability to evolve relies more on mutual aid than on power and control. This applies even to other animals, when you start to look at it. The book cites multiple examples.
If you’re not up to reading that, then AudibleAnarchist has been uploading an audiobook:
This is tangential and anecdotal, but I’ve been beaten, abused, stolen from, manipulated, raped, humiliated, bullied, jailed … and I still don’t believe this crap is human nature. The kind of society I (and many others) envision can be a reality. I know it can.
That last paragraph is horrible. I mean that in the most supportive and sympathetic ways possible and I am sorry anyone has had to go through that. If I could hug you now, I would hug you now.
Unfortunately, I believe some people are just assholes. Same as you, I have been stolen from, bullied and abused as well. Even our combined experiences would be a cakewalk for some other more unfortunare people. In some ways, I am actually sympathetic to the people who feel the need to do those things to others.
Again, people are capable of great things! However, my experiences have not left me with fear or hate but rather, an abundance of caution. My opinions are just the summation of my experiences, after all. There are very few people that gave a shit when I was in my darkest of places, excluding some family. Quite honestly, other people have their own issues to deal with and my problems are not their concern.
There are very few people that gave a shit when I was in my darkest of places, excluding some family
I feel this to the core.
Maybe my own optimism is just a coping mechanism, but I simply can’t believe so many people are just selfish and bad. That just doesn’t compute for me, no matter my experiences.
If you feel so inclined, give the first chapter of that book a listen – don’t really need to read the whole thing because he just expands on details and supplies examples after that.
Hopefully things get better for people, no matter what it takes to get there.
Even our combined experiences would be a cakewalk for some other more unfortunare people
Yeah, when my husband talks about his life in Mexico that left him with PTSD … and many people have it worse yet. A lot of us are walking around half broken, I think.
Believe me when I say I was a serious alcoholic for a number of years just trying to cope with life. Like you said, the pressures of capitalism were partially to blame for my stress and anxiety as it’s a very real thing for a lot of people.
Over the years, good things have happened. My life has improved and I have stopped doing the stupid things that put me in dangerous situations. Some people helped lift me up and I have done the same for others as time went on.
It seems that the universe, to me, is based on balance. “Good” and “evil” are complimentary and one cannot exist without the other. To be the best we can be, we have to at least understand and acknowledge the worst of the worst.
When we manage to change the world for the better, I’ll be right there with you. (I just have a tendency to also look behind me to see who has the knife pointed at my back.)
If that sounds stupid, that is OK! People cope. It’s something else we are really good at.
The only brutal reality is unfettered capitalism. We have more than enough to provide everyone with much better than we currently do. The fact is that half of the US’s resources are horded by literally a handful of individuals. You want to talk about survivability, what do you think it means to allow so few to have so much power? How do you think that ends?
Humans are capable of great things and can work great together. Even one on one, most people are excellent to each other, actually.
Unfortunately, all it takes is a thin layer of anonymity to expose the worst in people. We see it online, in traffic and during times of crisis. Even now, people are more likely to express their real feelings and tell me that I am wrong or I am trying to be a “pseudo intellectual” in one case. Cool. That is within their rights but it doesn’t improve my outlook on society in any way.
I would love it if humanity allowed us to all live equally. If there wasn’t an overwhelming number of people that want to just take advantage of others who are willing to wait a little longer in line or give up luxuries for cheaper alternatives, it would be perfect.
Life, as beautiful as it can be, is also tainted by harsh realities. By all means, be charitable and kind when you can and help others to build a solid community. However, always be aware that there are also people that survive by draining the resources of others. As far as raw nature is concerned, both strategies are valid if it improves survival rates.
I can’t offer any magic solutions or even be a “perfect” person myself. Speaking from an animalistic point of view, my own survival depends on thinking about myself first and then the survival of my DNA second.
Thinking about the brutal realities of life is something I do often and balancing my needs with the needs of others is tough! If I die, or my resources are drained, I can’t support anyone else.
This ain’t it, chief. The “bad” people you describe are few and far between and not doing any tangible amount of harm.
You know who’s really draining resources? The rich, landlords, CEOs. Hell, even suburbanites who live with 3-stall garages and Dodge Rams are draining more resources than the proverbial “welfare queens.”
That you see these people as what stands between us and equity instead of the people who are truly responsible is by design. It’s a sick, sick world. I’m well aware of the ill-intentioned people in this world, but they’re not the ones you’re describing in your comment.
That’s mainly who I am referring to, btw. However, I do have a much more grim view on nature itself.
Its perfectly natural to see the world through rose colored classes. Unfortunately, I have seen too much of what the common person is capable of and not just on TV. I really want to believe that everyone wants to do “the right thing” in this world. By the same token, “the right thing” has a million different definitions.
I simply accept that everyone is capable of both wonderful things and also horrific things. It doesn’t take much to push a completely sane person into insanity. As an extreme example, war can do that to people. As a simple example, someone getting served cold fries at restaurant can be just as transforming.
By no means am I saying that living your life in fear and paranoia is a normal and healthy thing. It’s not. Everyone just needs to understand the best and worst of any situation.
If anything, doing as I suggest in my top comment would drastically reduce things like violence and hoarding resources. While it’s true that we are capable of both good and bad, it is also true that inherently inequitable systems like capitalism and the state greatly exacerbate the bad.
Therefore, the proper way to address this is to replace our current unjust/inequitable systems with systems that provide basic needs to all.
What.
And I believe what you say, in principle. However, people are still going to be people. Unless there is a massive shift in how an entire society thinks, a fair share is simply not enough for a lot of people.
Capitalism is just a symptom of the human condition. A lot of people desire power and control and will build empires to feed those desires. IMHO, this behavior is baked into our DNA at a very primal level. When we cannot get power and control ourselves, we tend to form hierarchies under people who do. Some societies are better at it than others but it always happens, one way or another.
To say a few simple steps will be reduce violence and resource hoarding is absolutely true. Unfortunately, I have to circle back to the previous paragraph: People will always desire more power and more control and will squabble over the most trivial things in an attempt to maintain what power and resources they may already have.
Again, I wholeheartedly agree that we can improve our own lives by helping those around us. It helps to surround yourself with people of a similar mindset, actually. However, I choose not to minimize the hell that is mother nature and what has shaped life on this planet for millions of years.
Have you never seen anyone completely loose their shit over the most trivial things? I have. Plenty of times. While I intended to use a made up example, I guess weirder shit has actually happened: https://abc7ny.com/mcdonalds-worker-shot-matthew-webb-michael-morgan-brooklyn/12100882/
People are as brilliant as they are stupid.
I’ve seen people lose their shit. I’ve worked in customer service. Most of it stems from the stress of living under capitalism and the pressures of a hierarchical state.
There’s a lot to unpack here, but I’d urge you to read Mutual Aid by Peter Kropotkin. Even just the first chapter or two, I think would change your opinion about human nature. I’ve experienced many setbacks, but I’ve seldom been so cynical to think that human nature is inherently selfish and greedy. TL;DR of that book, our ability to evolve relies more on mutual aid than on power and control. This applies even to other animals, when you start to look at it. The book cites multiple examples.
If you’re not up to reading that, then AudibleAnarchist has been uploading an audiobook:
YouTube link
Piped link
This is tangential and anecdotal, but I’ve been beaten, abused, stolen from, manipulated, raped, humiliated, bullied, jailed … and I still don’t believe this crap is human nature. The kind of society I (and many others) envision can be a reality. I know it can.
That last paragraph is horrible. I mean that in the most supportive and sympathetic ways possible and I am sorry anyone has had to go through that. If I could hug you now, I would hug you now.
Unfortunately, I believe some people are just assholes. Same as you, I have been stolen from, bullied and abused as well. Even our combined experiences would be a cakewalk for some other more unfortunare people. In some ways, I am actually sympathetic to the people who feel the need to do those things to others.
Again, people are capable of great things! However, my experiences have not left me with fear or hate but rather, an abundance of caution. My opinions are just the summation of my experiences, after all. There are very few people that gave a shit when I was in my darkest of places, excluding some family. Quite honestly, other people have their own issues to deal with and my problems are not their concern.
I feel this to the core.
Maybe my own optimism is just a coping mechanism, but I simply can’t believe so many people are just selfish and bad. That just doesn’t compute for me, no matter my experiences.
If you feel so inclined, give the first chapter of that book a listen – don’t really need to read the whole thing because he just expands on details and supplies examples after that.
Hopefully things get better for people, no matter what it takes to get there.
Yeah, when my husband talks about his life in Mexico that left him with PTSD … and many people have it worse yet. A lot of us are walking around half broken, I think.
Hoping for a better world.
Believe me when I say I was a serious alcoholic for a number of years just trying to cope with life. Like you said, the pressures of capitalism were partially to blame for my stress and anxiety as it’s a very real thing for a lot of people.
Over the years, good things have happened. My life has improved and I have stopped doing the stupid things that put me in dangerous situations. Some people helped lift me up and I have done the same for others as time went on.
It seems that the universe, to me, is based on balance. “Good” and “evil” are complimentary and one cannot exist without the other. To be the best we can be, we have to at least understand and acknowledge the worst of the worst.
When we manage to change the world for the better, I’ll be right there with you. (I just have a tendency to also look behind me to see who has the knife pointed at my back.)
If that sounds stupid, that is OK! People cope. It’s something else we are really good at.
The only brutal reality is unfettered capitalism. We have more than enough to provide everyone with much better than we currently do. The fact is that half of the US’s resources are horded by literally a handful of individuals. You want to talk about survivability, what do you think it means to allow so few to have so much power? How do you think that ends?
https://theconversation.com/humans-arent-inherently-selfish-were-actually-hardwired-to-work-together-144145
Humans are capable of great things and can work great together. Even one on one, most people are excellent to each other, actually.
Unfortunately, all it takes is a thin layer of anonymity to expose the worst in people. We see it online, in traffic and during times of crisis. Even now, people are more likely to express their real feelings and tell me that I am wrong or I am trying to be a “pseudo intellectual” in one case. Cool. That is within their rights but it doesn’t improve my outlook on society in any way.
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It’s not an intellectual conversation.
If a pseudointellectual could hang with actual intellectuals, they’d just be an intellectual.
Not since you commented, anyway.