Because the alt-left MHGA recruits would disregard or ban this list on any of their echo chambers, I’ll post it here for the intellectually curious. It is a biased source, but filled with starting points if you want to investigate, and filled with FACTS. You can research individual attacks accounted for here, which is a better list than can be found in most places, with more initial details for your research.
It’s a rough resource for people peddling a false narrative of innocent, defenseless, oppressed Palestinians. But sometimes facts ARE rough.
THIS DOES NOT EXCUSE ISRAEL’S WAR CRIMES, and doesn’t mean there’s not a HUGE list of those either. The point is, those you will always find celebrated in the MHGA echo chambers, whereas this would get instantly removed by the Hamas in training.
Let’s also record the terrorism of Israelis (not even counting the war crimes being committed by the Israeli forces).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deir_Yassin_massacre is one example. There are many more. Many recent ones including the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre
Barbarians.
Note your dehumanizing language is exactly how terrorists work and indoctrinate. So thanks for making my point there.
But as far as the fact, I totally agree. Deir Yassin, even though disputed, clearly was some sort of awful crime (likely a crime against humanity). I’m familiar with the Nakba. The two crimes are but two of many committed by Israel. There are no innocents here, unlike the MHGA crowd tries to pretend. The Palestinians have never supported Hamas more than when they’re commiting terrorism and killing Jews and attacking Israel. And they were founded on killing JEWS and gennocide—their founding document, it’s so inconvienent to your buddies!
What seperates me from MHGA terrorists is I will call out all the war crimes, and not try to deny or justify them. Whereas you will ignore and not acknowledge them. Dehumanize the Jews because you’re an antisemite, and attempt to pretend the violence was one sided.
I even agree that the collective punishment by the war criminal Bibi and others in Likud are just that, war crimes. But not post Oct 7th, Israel has a right to defend itself even if the Hamas and Hamas adjacent want to pretend otherwise. Bad sympathizer, no more kool-aid for you!
https://www.israeltoday.co.il/read/netanyahu-calls-civilized-world-to-arms-against-forces-of-barbarism/
Indeed.
Not a Bibi or Likud supporter. He and multiple members of Likud are war criminals many, many times over. More than anything for the collective punishment of Gaza PRE-Oct 7th. Yes, even though, pre-Oct Hamas was regularly targeting civilians and committing the war crimes that got them elected and made them so popular in Gaza.
But post, you can’t leave their infrastructure and ability to project power in place anymore or ever to let it happen again.
You can find someone else to defend his disgusting language, I won’t. Dehumanizing a country’s enemy may be a time honored tactic committed by virtually every country on the planet but it’s never okay.
The argument that Israel makes is that the Gazans should stand up to Hamas. So maybe Israel can lead by example and stand up to Bibi.
They have, but Hamas seeks to keep him in power because he makes them more popular than ever. You know that Hamas PUT him in power, right? Perez was vowing to continue the Oslo process with Arafat. Israel had majority support for the two-state solution and Perez was clearly winning. That’s why Hamas executed a series of suicide bombs, bus bombing, killing as many civilians as they could (and always have). The campaign was successful enough that Bibi squeaked by with a LESS than 1% victory over Perez.
This stuff isn’t a secret. If you wanted to get out of your Hamas supporter bubble then you could find this information yourself.
Hamas and Bibi are partners, they work together to keep the conflict going and awful.
If you don’t like to read, Frontline has an excellent piece on the conflict from the Oslo process and onwards:
https://youtu.be/jt3PpqaLfxo?si=luwckLcTtlxFIWCo
EDIT: You can even just look at old news reports
http://edition.cnn.com/WORLD/9605/31/netanyahu.wins/
Those bombings were intentionally designed by Hamas to get Bibi elected. When Palestinians die, Hamas gains supporters, followers, and power. Just look at Lemmy with all its recruits!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cave_of_the_Patriarchs_massacre
This was the direct cause of the retaliatory bombings by Hamas.
Start with common ground: FUCK that radical Jewish terrorist. The whole Kach movement are radical right-wing terrorists–they should be eliminated by any means necessary. I shed no tears for eliminating terrorists (regardless of their religon or country of residence). I think we can agree on that, right? I sure hope we do.
If only the Palestinian response was the same to Hamas terror attacks, right?
https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/poll-shows-palestinians-back-oct-7-attack-israel-support-hamas-rises-2023-12-14/
https://ground.news/article/telegram-group-with-3-000-unrwa-teachers-praises-october-7-attacks?utm_source=headline-link&utm_medium=share
And the direct cause of all Hamas bombings is their stated founding principal of genocide of Isreal and Jews. That part isn’t hard, period. I’m not sure what the point of picking out one incident in the cycle is, unless you’re just trying to say they had no agenda to get Bibi elected. In which case we’d very much disagree, and we can debate that further. I just want to clarify.
This Atlantic critique is worth a read:
https://archive.ph/r0fPC