On Jan. 25, the Alabama Department of Corrections (ADOC) plans to execute Kenneth Smith by forcing him to breathe pure nitrogen gas, an untested execution method with profound legal and ethical conseq...
My God this article is full of stupid, awful arguments. Seriously some sort of agenda behind it. I hate the death penalty. However, if they’re going to do it anyway, nitrogen hypoxia is definitely the most humane method.
in my opinion - and I’m just some guy - there is no humane way to kill anyone who doesn’t want to die. It is a contradiction in terms. Therefore regardless of the method, it is simply “not humane.”
Fine, then the authors should argue that, honestly, instead of arguing against the particular method and thus dishonestly implying there’s some other method they would find acceptable. It’s a bad-faith “control the conversation” tactic that has no place in legitimate journalism.
They do (in general) argue against that in the first and last paragraphs of the article where they list (separately) themselves as abolitionists. I believe we can take that as read.
This is why punitive justice is pointless. We need to rehabilitate criminals, not just warehouse them. Obviously some criminals are harder to rehabilitate and reintroduce into society, but the vast majority of these people are not sociopaths
Is it humane to spend those resources on a prisoner instead of redirecting the funds to a social program? We’ve already decided we’re going to remove these people from society. The Internet says it costs about $100 a day to house a minimum security prisoner, or around $3k a month. That could feed 20 people for a month.
It’s a lot more humane than killing them and later finding evidence that the conviction was a mistake. Unless you know a necromancer, keeping the most heinous offenders in prison for life is the most we can do.
I’m against capital punishment but you’re way off track here, missing the forest for the trees lol
you act like every case could go either way at any time. There are many where their crimes are unquestionable. In that case, is nitrogen more humane than keeping them locked in a box until they die? Sucking up funds that could help actual innocent people in need? That is the point being made here
It’s only cheaper because of the enormous costs and inefficiencies baked into our justice system. The costs of executing someone come down to court costs, not the tangible resources that the prisoner takes up.
Funny enough, a lot of these appeals and investigations only cost so much and go on for so long because of the initial poor quality of police actions.
It’s like being released after 20 years on DNA evidence that was never checked initially, or where someone was convicted of rape but never positively identified by the accuser. A procedural fuckup costs millions blown in court, prison, and settlement costs.
So your argument is that we should make state sanctioned murder faster and have fewer appeals? Perhaps those low quality Police officers should just be empowered to… oh fuck we already did that
My God this article is full of stupid, awful arguments. Seriously some sort of agenda behind it. I hate the death penalty. However, if they’re going to do it anyway, nitrogen hypoxia is definitely the most humane method.
in my opinion - and I’m just some guy - there is no humane way to kill anyone who doesn’t want to die. It is a contradiction in terms. Therefore regardless of the method, it is simply “not humane.”
Fine, then the authors should argue that, honestly, instead of arguing against the particular method and thus dishonestly implying there’s some other method they would find acceptable. It’s a bad-faith “control the conversation” tactic that has no place in legitimate journalism.
They do (in general) argue against that in the first and last paragraphs of the article where they list (separately) themselves as abolitionists. I believe we can take that as read.
Agreed. I should have specified “more humane than other methods”.
By that logic it’s just as inhumane to put someone in prison that doesn’t want to be there, it is simply “not hunane”
pretty much any study into justice reform will tell you that’s the case in the majority of cases, yes.
This is why punitive justice is pointless. We need to rehabilitate criminals, not just warehouse them. Obviously some criminals are harder to rehabilitate and reintroduce into society, but the vast majority of these people are not sociopaths
I’d argue that waiting 80-100 years is much more humane and just as effective
Is it humane to spend those resources on a prisoner instead of redirecting the funds to a social program? We’ve already decided we’re going to remove these people from society. The Internet says it costs about $100 a day to house a minimum security prisoner, or around $3k a month. That could feed 20 people for a month.
It’s a lot more humane than killing them and later finding evidence that the conviction was a mistake. Unless you know a necromancer, keeping the most heinous offenders in prison for life is the most we can do.
I’m against capital punishment but you’re way off track here, missing the forest for the trees lol
you act like every case could go either way at any time. There are many where their crimes are unquestionable. In that case, is nitrogen more humane than keeping them locked in a box until they die? Sucking up funds that could help actual innocent people in need? That is the point being made here
Once again: it is cheaper to house a prisoner for life than to execute one.
It’s only cheaper because of the enormous costs and inefficiencies baked into our justice system. The costs of executing someone come down to court costs, not the tangible resources that the prisoner takes up.
Funny enough, a lot of these appeals and investigations only cost so much and go on for so long because of the initial poor quality of police actions.
It’s like being released after 20 years on DNA evidence that was never checked initially, or where someone was convicted of rape but never positively identified by the accuser. A procedural fuckup costs millions blown in court, prison, and settlement costs.
So your argument is that we should make state sanctioned murder faster and have fewer appeals? Perhaps those low quality Police officers should just be empowered to… oh fuck we already did that
Yeah… except the mistakes look like slam dunks. The very definition of a false positive.
It’s cheaper to house a prisoner for life than to execute one.
Or you know… both?