• Cowbee [he/they]
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    -111 months ago

    Suggesting third party is like having 2 loved ones taken hostage and held at gunpoint, being forced to pick one, then picking neither and letting both get shot because to pick one is to support the murder of one of your loved ones.

    I get the sentiment, genocide is fucking horrifying and it’s sickening that the US government is actively funding it, but there doesn’t exist a solution within the bounds of electoralism.

    • @Linkerbaan
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      This analogy is wrong. If one of them is to get shot anyways, then the other person won’t get shot. Three options:

      1. Person 1 gets shot

      2. Person 2 gets shot

      3. Nobody gets shot

      The question is whether you are trying to prevent it or actively endorse a person getting shot. Because if enough people would not endorse it, nobody would get shot.

      The ends do not justify the means! That is exactly the logic that the IDF uses. “We just kill all the 2 million Palestinians, and then we can live in safety!”. Supporting genocide is not a justifiable way to “save democracy” (whatever that even means).

      Vote Cornel West. Vote Jil Stein. Or if the Democrats finally get their head of of their ass and get a Non-Zionist like AOC on there, Vote for them.

      • Cowbee [he/they]
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        111 months ago

        Nah, not how it works. Trump gets elected, and far more extreme fascism becomes normalized and the courts get packed with even more evil scumbags. Genocide continues, possibly at an accelerated pace.

        Biden gets elected, genocide continues, but on the ground fascism isn’t enabled and there’s more room for grassroots leftist movements to take place.

        There isn’t a third party option, that’s a farce of the 2 party system. It doesn’t actually exist, it’s to provide the illusion that the American people actively support the current 2 parties, rather than passively supporting them. Its not a real option and never has been.

        • @Linkerbaan
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          You’re literally normalizing genocide already by voting for Biden. Nazi style genocide. It doesn’t get much more Fascist than Bidolf Hitler because you’re already there.

          • Cowbee [he/they]
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            -111 months ago

            Do you legitimately think Trump is the anti-genocide candidate here? Or is virtue signaling more important than the lives of Gazans to you? Are you so privledged that you can throw away your vote and let Trump accelerate fascism, because you won’t be harmed?

            Unfortunately for me, those I care about are not nearly as privledged and can’t afford letting a fascist in power, even if that means picking the crusty neoliberal ghoul.

            • @Linkerbaan
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              011 months ago

              Is Trump the BUT KHAMASSSS for American Democrats?

              • Cowbee [he/they]
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                111 months ago

                I’m a leftist, not a Democrat. Electoralism cannot work, read “Reform or Revolution.” Electoralism is purely harm reduction, and allowing harm to accelerate is privledged.

                If you want leftist movement, then join an org and advocate at the grassroots level, organize, unionize, and win local elections. Voting third party to virtue signal your LARP instead of touching grass and actually doing something is a great way to lose support of the Proletariat.

                • @Linkerbaan
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                  -111 months ago

                  Ask 2016 Bernie how spending his entire life doing that went

                  • Cowbee [he/they]
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                    011 months ago

                    Ask yourself. Bernie is verified proof that electoralism is bullshit.

                    Read theory and stop LARPing.