• @TropicalDingdong
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    2011 months ago

    If a particular leftist isn’t rational enough to recognize the important of impeding the progress of fascism, at any level possible, its a vote that can probably be missed.

    If you have the power to impeded fascism in any way, and you choose not to do so, I’m don’t believe you are a leftist.

    • @[email protected]
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      211 months ago

      But they will still call themselves leftists, which muddies the water and makes it impossible to actually tell.

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        What is a leftist to you though? I’m not arguing for this position, but there are different beliefs in electoralism, there are leftists who believe legitimazing the system through voting just cements the dominant power further. By abstaining from voting or letting someone unpopular be elected it weakens the state structure which some see as a more efficient path to the removal of the main class division.

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      In 2016, Bernie was shafted in the primary to protect capitalistic interests. When challenged in court, the DNC won under the premise that they are a private organization that can do what they want and votes don’t mean shit.

      In 2024, we’re watching Biden sidestep Congress to fund genocide in Palestine.

      Democrats are fascists, putting a pride pin in their cap doesn’t change that.

      • @TropicalDingdong
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        211 months ago

        I agree. Its incredibly tough and an almost impossible task.

        We have the choice of diet fascism, or the full blown thing.

        We can buy some time if we stick with diet fascism. The only real solution is to get involved in the political process and try and change things. I think we’re in a highly ‘activated’ community, so I’m sure, along with others, I’m not the only politically involved person here. I think beyond physical training, doing your best to set yourself up to be independent from the requirements of the social system, and engaging in the political process, there isn’t much more I would promote doing. But those are also all very important things, especially becoming involved in the political process.

        You can run as an independent. Find a rural district. Become the dog catcher (or hell, become the sheriff).

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          Give me a leftist anti-fascist candidate and I’ll vote for him. shrug “Leftists don’t want to vote for fascists OR fascists waving a pride flag so they don’t” isn’t the hot take you think it is. Every year, democrats lose voters because they refuse to go any further left than mid-right to placate the donor class and every year y’all go on these tirades about how y’all don’t need leftists anyway (as you simultaneously) blame us for Republican wins, usually in the same post.)

          If leftist votes are so critical it’d probably be a good idea to stop actively pissing on them, huh?

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              I’m sorry, how is this different from a Trump speech, exactly? Dehumanization, outright falsehoods, false generalizations, personal insults, de-legitimization, etc.

              Democrats are fascist, and the US isn’t a democracy. It’s a right wing Corporatocracy and we’re in such late stage capitalism everyone’s taken their hoods off and saying the quiet part out loud.

              See ya after the downfall, bruddaman

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                  211 months ago

                  You can blame me all you want, but how voting works is you give people a suitable candidate to vote for and people vote for them because they’re a strong candidate supporting people’s needs and desires - not because you bully them.

                  The options are mid right, far right, or 3rd parties who get the goalposts moved everytime they meet requirements to participate in debates and ballots. I lose either way. YOU will lose because you ran a shit neolib and told everybody that thought that was a bad idea to fuck right off cause you don’t need em anyway. Enjoy your shocked pikachu face when the people you told not to vote with you don’t vote with you.

      • @Bytemeister
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        111 months ago

        Fascism (/ˈfæʃɪzəm/ FASH-iz-əm) is a far-right, authoritarian, ultranationalist political ideology and movement, characterized by a dictatorial leader, centralized autocracy, militarism, forcible suppression of opposition, belief in a natural social hierarchy, subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race, and strong regimentation of society and the economy.

        Fascism is not just people supporting things you don’t like.

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          far right

          Certainly mid right

          authoritarian

          Try being left of Biden in a room full of Democrats.

          ultranationalist

          See above, Dems are resistant to any meaningful change because they believe USA #1. They wave their little equality flag but suggest overhauling a US system and see how quick they become conservative.

          centralized autocracy, militarism

          Even after a Trump presidency, we can’t reign in executive privilege because Dems are just as reliant on it. See: Biden sidestepping Congress to fund Israel, also…gestures broadly at America for militarism

          forcible suppression of opposition

          3rd parties have met requirements to be included on ballots and in debates before, dems were just as quick as Repubs to move those goalposts everytime they’re met. Also, 2016 - Bernie won the primary, no he didn’t shut up also we’ll go to court to show our voters they don’t mean shit

          belief in a natural social hierarchy

          I mean, that’s just capitalism and Dems are all in on defending that at all costs (See above)

          subordination of individual interests for the perceived good of the nation or race

          Go to any thread discussing politics or Democratic function IRL and mention any political/social interest other than “Not Trump” or whatever the DNC flavor of the day is and watch how quickly you get told you’re a stupid baby. (Case in point, your reply - “You don’t have real concerns you just think fascism is anything you don’t like nyahhh”)

          strong regimentation of society and the economy.

          Again, capitalism, but politically - Any primary winner would have been rejected for Hillary in 2016 because they just owed her one, and here we are doubling down on Biden for a second term at 81 after 50 years in politics instead of, well, anybody else at all no matter how many people tell them how weak that play is.

          Democracy is not shutting out any people supporting things you don’t like.

    • Sybil
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      -911 months ago

      voting for fascist Democrats doesn’t impede fascism. implying that voting for evil people is rational, and therefore refusing to vote for evil people is irrational, is pure ad hominem.