They probably understand but prefer to not vote for the lesser evil out of emotional reasons. IMO this behaviour appears to be similar to people voting for neoliberal far-right parties out of fear and disappointment although it’s completely detrimental to their interests.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
I would like to take concrete steps towards the US murdering fewer brown people. As a trans person things have got worse under Biden (I don’t care about being able to serve in the fucking military lmao).
For all the fashy rhetoric from Trump (he almost literally demanded a kent state during the floyd protests), the squishy center pretended to care about opposing the government when it was doing terrible things. From my perspective that opposition was clearly all coming from a sense of tribalism, because our government is doing worse things now and we’re getting memes about how baller joe biden is.
When the Republicans end up in power they’re like the dog catching the car because they have to do all their unpopular stuff in the open and everyone hates them. When Democrats are in power everyone stops caring when they do demonic shit, so it’s full steam ahead with world war 3. Clearly nuance is lost on liberals and they need a BBEG (painted red) in power in order for them to oppose their own government.
I shouldn’t weigh in that much as I don’t live in the US and only follow US politics from a distance.
I can even very much understand the opposition against the “lesser of 2 evils” notion. Of course I also have emotions (haha) and when I look at the far-right populists in my own country and how the established parties have failed so many people and let the rise of inequality continue… Then I too don’t want to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But I regularly realise how my emotions misguide me. How I become more blind to the reasons why politicians (even conservative ones) act like they do and that it’s not just out of greed, evil and ignorance. How complicated the world is and how grey instead of black and white. Luckily I live in a country where a respectful discourse between political rivals does occasionally happen and allows me to deradicalise myself a bit.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
US “democracy” is structured so that most people living in it are essentially disenfranchised. People make a big stink about voting online, but there’s no popular vote, if you live in a “blue” or “red” state your presidential vote is pretty much purely symbolic. If you’re not a white suburbanite basically all of the centrist elected representatives you will have will smile at you, but ignore 100% of what you say.
To add to what you said, if you use your symbolic vote to vote for people who give weapons to murder brown people and bomb people for being opposed to murding brown people, then your vote symbolizes support for those policies. If people will vote for those policies, then politicians will adopt them. If people won’t vote for them, then those politicians will “evolve” on those issues. Why would they change if it gets them elected?
Unless there’s more than a 0.0000000001% chance of my vote changing the election, I won’t consider voting for Biden when a lot of his policies are so far from policies I want in a number of ways. Why wouldn’t I use my vote to prove to politicians that there are votes to be had from different policies?
The problem is the DNC really doesn’t care about winning. They still get their lobbying money and donations whether they’re in the Whitehouse or not. Arguably they might get more when someone like Trump is in charge, giving them the perfect person to point at and be outraged by, continually asking for donations to stop them but once in power doing the bare minimum to undo and stop Republicans. Republicans on the other hand have a lot of people who are motivated by what they want to accomplish and want to win and use whatever power they have to get what they want.
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Choices:
Biden: Kinda meh, has a lot of flaws
Trump: Literal Fascist Dictator
“Both Sides equally bad, trust me bro”
…
Look, it is pretty simple:
At the Vote: Lesser of two Evils
Rest of the time: Organise for Change!
It should not be that difficult guys, why do we need to repeat this again?
They probably understand but prefer to not vote for the lesser evil out of emotional reasons. IMO this behaviour appears to be similar to people voting for neoliberal far-right parties out of fear and disappointment although it’s completely detrimental to their interests.
Sadly it’s very hard to persuade people with rational arguments if their behaviour is driven by emotions.
I would like to take concrete steps towards the US murdering fewer brown people. As a trans person things have got worse under Biden (I don’t care about being able to serve in the fucking military lmao).
For all the fashy rhetoric from Trump (he almost literally demanded a kent state during the floyd protests), the squishy center pretended to care about opposing the government when it was doing terrible things. From my perspective that opposition was clearly all coming from a sense of tribalism, because our government is doing worse things now and we’re getting memes about how baller joe biden is.
When the Republicans end up in power they’re like the dog catching the car because they have to do all their unpopular stuff in the open and everyone hates them. When Democrats are in power everyone stops caring when they do demonic shit, so it’s full steam ahead with world war 3. Clearly nuance is lost on liberals and they need a BBEG (painted red) in power in order for them to oppose their own government.
I shouldn’t weigh in that much as I don’t live in the US and only follow US politics from a distance.
I can even very much understand the opposition against the “lesser of 2 evils” notion. Of course I also have emotions (haha) and when I look at the far-right populists in my own country and how the established parties have failed so many people and let the rise of inequality continue… Then I too don’t want to vote for the lesser of two evils.
But I regularly realise how my emotions misguide me. How I become more blind to the reasons why politicians (even conservative ones) act like they do and that it’s not just out of greed, evil and ignorance. How complicated the world is and how grey instead of black and white. Luckily I live in a country where a respectful discourse between political rivals does occasionally happen and allows me to deradicalise myself a bit.
If you want to take concrete steps toward the US murdering fewer brown people, the question IMO would be “where do I have the most leverage with my vote?” If you think that voting neither for Biden, nor for Trump does that, that’s perfectly fine for me and it’s your right, of course. I doubt that voting for a 3rd party in the US has any leverage at all but surely I’m no expert.
US “democracy” is structured so that most people living in it are essentially disenfranchised. People make a big stink about voting online, but there’s no popular vote, if you live in a “blue” or “red” state your presidential vote is pretty much purely symbolic. If you’re not a white suburbanite basically all of the centrist elected representatives you will have will smile at you, but ignore 100% of what you say.
To add to what you said, if you use your symbolic vote to vote for people who give weapons to murder brown people and bomb people for being opposed to murding brown people, then your vote symbolizes support for those policies. If people will vote for those policies, then politicians will adopt them. If people won’t vote for them, then those politicians will “evolve” on those issues. Why would they change if it gets them elected?
Unless there’s more than a 0.0000000001% chance of my vote changing the election, I won’t consider voting for Biden when a lot of his policies are so far from policies I want in a number of ways. Why wouldn’t I use my vote to prove to politicians that there are votes to be had from different policies?
The problem is the DNC really doesn’t care about winning. They still get their lobbying money and donations whether they’re in the Whitehouse or not. Arguably they might get more when someone like Trump is in charge, giving them the perfect person to point at and be outraged by, continually asking for donations to stop them but once in power doing the bare minimum to undo and stop Republicans. Republicans on the other hand have a lot of people who are motivated by what they want to accomplish and want to win and use whatever power they have to get what they want.