That’s seems like an awful lot for a tiny little spit of land that basically affects fewer people than any medium sized American city. I think Israel has the superior claim, arguably a duty.
On the other hand, imagine the efforts that the world would go to to free a medium sized American city that was taken captured by terrorists and rebuild it afterword.
Israel may be the best equipped to maintain order, and they have an existential prerogative to do so. However, what does the eventual transfer of power look like in that scenario? The PA and the UN are maybe the only bodies with the credibility to manage and rebuild the area and form a stable and representative government.
Obviously there are significant differences between the circumstances; whether there are leaders and partners on the ground we can work with, whether there is a nuclear power involved, being the significant differences that stand out to me.
I think the transfer of power looks like this: members and accomplices of Hamas are killed as enemy combatants and terrorists, infrastructure is repaired, goods and supplies flow, and and everyone is pretty glad to be rid of them and people who just want to live their lives go and do so, I hope as or at least with a path to full Israeli citizenship and democratic representation. Bibi and his loyalists are also going to need to be voted out by the Israeli people, part of that existential prerogative. Maybe pockets of residence will persist underground. They will be got though.
I think the transfer of power looks like this: members and accomplices of Hamas are killed as enemy combatants and terrorists, infrastructure is repaired, goods and supplies flow, and and everyone is pretty glad to be rid of them and people who just want to live their lives go and do so, I hope as or at least with a path to full Israeli citizenship and democratic representation.
If Israel was willing to do that Hamas wouldn’t exist.
I disagree. The ideological opposition to a Jewish state is as old as Zionism itself and the violent opposition is as old as the state. In fact I think I recall some diplomat or another who was an early advocate for a Jewish state being assassinated for it. There was always a group of extreme, Islamic religious fundamentalists who violently opposed a Jewish state. At any rate, time is linear and we are here now.
And luckily for everyone, Israel is a democracy and therefore represents hope for change and a more just future.
The ideological opposition to a Jewish state is as old as Zionism itself and the violent opposition is as old as the state.
I mean yes. Why wouldn’t they oppose a Jewish state? “Hey we’ll steal your land and build an Apartheid state on it” did you want them to agree to that?
I’m willing to bet there will never be any kind of voluntary transfer of power.
I firmly expect that Israel’s intention is to drive out the Palestinian population and annex Gaza once and for all. Nothing else explains their strategy of mass infrastructure destruction, the regular bombing of civilians, and the regular drumbeat of suggestions of foreign nations like Canada taking in Palestinian refugees. They’re clearly attempting to render Gaza utterly unlivable.
I mean, what else could possibly be their endgame given the level of destruction Israel has engaged in? A vibrant and functioning Gaza will never be tolerated by the Israeli far right (they literally just finally openly rejected a two state solution, though let’s face it, in practice that’s nothing new). Containment has failed. The only thing left is destruction.
I mean, what else could possibly be their endgame given the level of destruction Israel has engaged in? A vibrant and functioning Gaza will never be tolerated by the Israeli far right
It’ll never be tolerated by Israel period. Let’s not pretend the Israeli left and non-far right are innocent in this.
That’s seems like an awful lot for a tiny little spit of land that basically affects fewer people than any medium sized American city. I think Israel has the superior claim, arguably a duty.
On the one hand, it is a little frustrating to see this global focus when there is so little attention paid to the 1.7 million people displaced in Pakistan of the 6 million people displaced in Sudan, or the 86,000 people killed in Nigeria.
On the other hand, imagine the efforts that the world would go to to free a medium sized American city that was taken captured by terrorists and rebuild it afterword.
Israel may be the best equipped to maintain order, and they have an existential prerogative to do so. However, what does the eventual transfer of power look like in that scenario? The PA and the UN are maybe the only bodies with the credibility to manage and rebuild the area and form a stable and representative government.
Obviously there are significant differences between the circumstances; whether there are leaders and partners on the ground we can work with, whether there is a nuclear power involved, being the significant differences that stand out to me.
I think the transfer of power looks like this: members and accomplices of Hamas are killed as enemy combatants and terrorists, infrastructure is repaired, goods and supplies flow, and and everyone is pretty glad to be rid of them and people who just want to live their lives go and do so, I hope as or at least with a path to full Israeli citizenship and democratic representation. Bibi and his loyalists are also going to need to be voted out by the Israeli people, part of that existential prerogative. Maybe pockets of residence will persist underground. They will be got though.
If Israel was willing to do that Hamas wouldn’t exist.
I disagree. The ideological opposition to a Jewish state is as old as Zionism itself and the violent opposition is as old as the state. In fact I think I recall some diplomat or another who was an early advocate for a Jewish state being assassinated for it. There was always a group of extreme, Islamic religious fundamentalists who violently opposed a Jewish state. At any rate, time is linear and we are here now.
And luckily for everyone, Israel is a democracy and therefore represents hope for change and a more just future.
I mean yes. Why wouldn’t they oppose a Jewish state? “Hey we’ll steal your land and build an Apartheid state on it” did you want them to agree to that?
I’m willing to bet there will never be any kind of voluntary transfer of power.
I firmly expect that Israel’s intention is to drive out the Palestinian population and annex Gaza once and for all. Nothing else explains their strategy of mass infrastructure destruction, the regular bombing of civilians, and the regular drumbeat of suggestions of foreign nations like Canada taking in Palestinian refugees. They’re clearly attempting to render Gaza utterly unlivable.
I mean, what else could possibly be their endgame given the level of destruction Israel has engaged in? A vibrant and functioning Gaza will never be tolerated by the Israeli far right (they literally just finally openly rejected a two state solution, though let’s face it, in practice that’s nothing new). Containment has failed. The only thing left is destruction.
It’ll never be tolerated by Israel period. Let’s not pretend the Israeli left and non-far right are innocent in this.