Title 18 1341 covers fraud by US mail. I kind of doubt that official government agencies, with charters and legal authorities for operation, are committing mail fraud on the regular and that sovereign citizens are the only ones smart enough to peel back the veil.
Maybe the rest of us sheeple need to wake up.
I wonder what kind of protections and rights that sovereign citizens actually have. Non-US citizen resident aliens and tourists with Visas all enjoy some rights. Native peoples with tribal sponsorship have another set of rights. Sovereign citizens fall into none of those buckets as they reject the notion of obtaining permission to enter and reside in-country and they also apparently renounce citizenship if they had it in the first place. Does this mean that they fall into the illegal alien classification? As people with no country, where would they even be deported to?
I kind of doubt that official government agencies, with charters and legal authorities for operation, are committing mail fraud on the regular and that sovereign citizens are the only ones smart enough to peel back the veil.
I think that is a great summary of their beliefs.
Sovcits don’t have the right to renounce their nationality as far as the USA government is concerned.
There is an official process to remove USA citizenship/nationality, it costs money and has to be done at an embassy. See here:
“The U.S. Department of State and the U.S. Supreme Court have concluded that the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality […] does not exist where a renunciant claims a right to continue to reside in the United States, unless the renunciant demonstrates that residence will be as an alien documented properly under U.S. law.”
Since sovcits don’t have a second nationality, they can’t live here legally as an alien. So basically, their request to renounce their nationality would be rejected. They still owe taxes and child support, so sad for them. They still may be able to reject their citizenship (right to passports, right to vote) but not their nationality and couldn’t be deported. I’m not a lawyer, I mean, just thought it was interesting. I imagine children who’s parents have not gotten them a birth certificate would have similar (but fixable) legal problems.
Anyway, stateless people do actually exist in the world, they are refugees and face hardship. The UN considers it a human rights problem.
I found this article interesting (it is about stateless refugees trapped in the USA, and this law college would like to advocate for them):
Title 18 1341 covers fraud by US mail. I kind of doubt that official government agencies, with charters and legal authorities for operation, are committing mail fraud on the regular and that sovereign citizens are the only ones smart enough to peel back the veil.
Maybe the rest of us sheeple need to wake up.
I wonder what kind of protections and rights that sovereign citizens actually have. Non-US citizen resident aliens and tourists with Visas all enjoy some rights. Native peoples with tribal sponsorship have another set of rights. Sovereign citizens fall into none of those buckets as they reject the notion of obtaining permission to enter and reside in-country and they also apparently renounce citizenship if they had it in the first place. Does this mean that they fall into the illegal alien classification? As people with no country, where would they even be deported to?
I think that is a great summary of their beliefs.
Sovcits don’t have the right to renounce their nationality as far as the USA government is concerned.
There is an official process to remove USA citizenship/nationality, it costs money and has to be done at an embassy. See here:
travel.gov faq
Importantly:
“The U.S. Department of State and the U.S. Supreme Court have concluded that the intention to relinquish U.S. nationality […] does not exist where a renunciant claims a right to continue to reside in the United States, unless the renunciant demonstrates that residence will be as an alien documented properly under U.S. law.”
Since sovcits don’t have a second nationality, they can’t live here legally as an alien. So basically, their request to renounce their nationality would be rejected. They still owe taxes and child support, so sad for them. They still may be able to reject their citizenship (right to passports, right to vote) but not their nationality and couldn’t be deported. I’m not a lawyer, I mean, just thought it was interesting. I imagine children who’s parents have not gotten them a birth certificate would have similar (but fixable) legal problems.
Anyway, stateless people do actually exist in the world, they are refugees and face hardship. The UN considers it a human rights problem.
I found this article interesting (it is about stateless refugees trapped in the USA, and this law college would like to advocate for them):
U Chicago article
They talk often about having a local state assembly, which seems to be their local collective of bonkers sovcits.
Not sure where they will be sent, but pretty certain that the men who “deport” them will be wearing white coats.
To chucklefuck island, of course…