California Senator Scott Wiener is introducing a new set of bills to make streets safer across the state, including one that would change how you drive.
I don’t think it’s punishment to make people follow sensible speed limits, at least it SHOULDN’T feel like a punishment. Like I said, those limits aren’t there just to make life inconvenient. Frankly I don’t see why people behave like driving is a race to a finish line.
I’d rather think that we should educate people better in the first place, instead of waiting and then punishing them. But in Utah, people do not listen and do not have the responsibility to drive with care and caution. What do you do when people just refuse to do what’s right?
I think you’ve misunderstood my point. The punishment is things like traffic tickets, fines, license suspensions, and so on. Laws don’t magically force you to drive at the speed limit, they institute punishments that are applied to you when you exceed it.
The reason “punishments” like traffic tickets exist at all is exactly what you said - laws by themselves don’t seem to work to get people to drive at the speed limit (or close to it even). How else can you regulate and enforce them? If not by issuing tickets or fining people who SHOULD know better (and yet continue to act like imbeciles behind the wheel).
The speed limit laws are there for a reason. People ignore them because people are assholes. So - how do you enforce the law when people WILLFULLY refuse to see the reason to follow them?
It’s obvious you don’t live here in Utah. Nobody who has lived or traveled here would ever say people obey anything close to the speed limit here. Just last night, another batch of stories on the local news about drivers going too fast, that killed several school kids and one that wiped out a whole family who were stopped on the side of the road.
Utah is all about idiots willfully killing people. That really should be our state motto.
Yep I think so. And I’m pretty law-abiding, which makes me an enemy in the eyes of other people for some reason. Personally I think it’s imperative to act responsibly as a driver and obey the speed limits and take weather and road conditions into account.
I know that all seems kind of “no duh” but you wouldn’t believe how many people in Utah speed through lights and intersections and construction and school zones as if their asses were on fire. Really, nothing so far has helped stop the excessive speeding.
Isn’t that just what a law is
It’s usually “if people won’t do the right thing, should we punish them for it?” Rather than forcing them to obey.
I don’t think it’s punishment to make people follow sensible speed limits, at least it SHOULDN’T feel like a punishment. Like I said, those limits aren’t there just to make life inconvenient. Frankly I don’t see why people behave like driving is a race to a finish line.
I’d rather think that we should educate people better in the first place, instead of waiting and then punishing them. But in Utah, people do not listen and do not have the responsibility to drive with care and caution. What do you do when people just refuse to do what’s right?
I think you’ve misunderstood my point. The punishment is things like traffic tickets, fines, license suspensions, and so on. Laws don’t magically force you to drive at the speed limit, they institute punishments that are applied to you when you exceed it.
The reason “punishments” like traffic tickets exist at all is exactly what you said - laws by themselves don’t seem to work to get people to drive at the speed limit (or close to it even). How else can you regulate and enforce them? If not by issuing tickets or fining people who SHOULD know better (and yet continue to act like imbeciles behind the wheel).
The speed limit laws are there for a reason. People ignore them because people are assholes. So - how do you enforce the law when people WILLFULLY refuse to see the reason to follow them?
To the contrary, in my experience most people actually do stick to the speed limit.
It’s obvious you don’t live here in Utah. Nobody who has lived or traveled here would ever say people obey anything close to the speed limit here. Just last night, another batch of stories on the local news about drivers going too fast, that killed several school kids and one that wiped out a whole family who were stopped on the side of the road.
Utah is all about idiots willfully killing people. That really should be our state motto.
Yep I think so. And I’m pretty law-abiding, which makes me an enemy in the eyes of other people for some reason. Personally I think it’s imperative to act responsibly as a driver and obey the speed limits and take weather and road conditions into account.
I know that all seems kind of “no duh” but you wouldn’t believe how many people in Utah speed through lights and intersections and construction and school zones as if their asses were on fire. Really, nothing so far has helped stop the excessive speeding.