Yeah bud I know. Until October 7, I would have agreed with you. The tunnels are forfeit now. They have to go. Sucks that the Palestinian people let Hamas undermine their homes and schools with unsafe tunnels and then used them to launch one indiscriminate terrorist attack on Israel after another. October 7 was the end of the line for Hamas.
Because the people didn’t get rid of Hamas and the tunnels and put an end to the terrorism themselves, now the tunnels have to be destroyed by the neighbor. If they call ahead and tell everyone to get away from the building, that’s valid under any legal or moral standard for warfare.
Nothing I’ve said excuses the actual war crimes committed by groups or individuals in the IDF. Israel will prosecute them pretty fairly and fairly aggressively. Maybe they might even throw the fucking book at them to help shut down some of these wildly exaggerated narratives.
While I don’t think there is evidence of genocide or genocidal intent, that could change if, after destroying Hamas and the tunnels, Israel were to do things such as fail to rebuild the housing, hospitals, and schools it has destroyed in order to get to the tunnels. That’s part of Israel’s duty as a neighbor: Before October 7, I viewed Israel’s occupation and control over Gaza as illegal annexation. But the tunnels are forfeit now and since the very foundation of the cities themselves make the ground above structurally inhabitable, now I consider it irredentism. The Palestinian people have no capacity to govern or rebuild without their neighbor’s good will, at this point.
As a Democracy, I have hope that the Israeli people are people of good will and will make right what can be restored.
You’re excusing the war crimes of Israel starving the people of Gaza of food, water, electricity, and basic medical care while they bomb residential homes, critical public infrastructure, safe zones, and refugee camps. The decades of brutal occupation, the deprivation of basic human rights of Palestinians.
You’re failing to recognize how groups like Hamas exist in the first place and you’re failing to recognize how this repeated forced displacement, unending bombing, and deprivation of fundamental needs is not how those groups go away.
The tunnels are a result of the blockade blocking necessities along with Israel controlling water, electricity, sea, air, movement, etc.
The one where Hamas isn’t running from the Palestinian people in utter fear for having caused and prolonged their suffering under things such as the dual use policy. Instead, Hamas is more popular than ever. It’s inexcusable. Their ideolgy is one of far right authoritarianism, which makes your profile commentary an absolute joke. Again, wondering why you’re here siding with the diplomatic corps of Iran and North Korea, against those of Canada and Japan, France and America. Truly bizarre how twisted up you are.
I support Palestinian emancipation, not the actions of Hamas. You’re confusing geopolitical interests of countries that want to weaken the global power of the US and humanitarian interests in Palestinian people to have basic human rights. I guess Ireland is also siding with North Korea if your view is that simplistic. Most of those countries you mentioned just want to weaken the US foothold in the middle east and soft power and don’t have a genuine interest in Palestinian emancipation. You’re the one getting it twisted
Have the civilians been giving warnings to evacuate again and again? Yes. Do they stay behind to die as voluntary martyrs to draw sympathy? Yes.
Those are the facts. And they aren’t doing because they want to “see America weakened” or whatever bs you think you know about. The are doing it because the self determination of individuals through representative government is antithetical to their entire sense of identity and being, you know, rich customs such as stoning women to death for learning too much math and other atrocities.
You think Palestinians like to get killed for Internet fame? That makes no sense, you have no idea what a martyr is here, it’s anyone who dies from the occupying forces.
Your argument boils down to “it’s their fault they died because they wanted to” and “they deserve it because of their backward views” none of which are based in reality. I’ve given you a huge variety of sources you can easily verify on your own accord. Yet you consider that a ‘trick’ unlike the official IDF narrative supported by many western media outlets despite a record of falsified information. Even Biden has literally repeated IDF talking points such as the 40 beheaded babies, until it was quickly proven false and walked back.
Yes it’s true. The UK is not trick averse, as with Brexit. A lot of people there, as in America, are angry want to see the violence stopped. I am too. I just don’t think the violence should stop until Hamas is gone and the area can be rebuilt safely.
It seems clear to me why Irish leadership has more sympathy with Hamas than than folks in the UK. Do you need me to explain their history?
Islamic fundamentalists, of which Hamas is included, along with its patron states, Iran and Qatar. I’m exaggerating about the stoning for rhetorical purposes, but not by much.
Yeah bud I know. Until October 7, I would have agreed with you. The tunnels are forfeit now. They have to go. Sucks that the Palestinian people let Hamas undermine their homes and schools with unsafe tunnels and then used them to launch one indiscriminate terrorist attack on Israel after another. October 7 was the end of the line for Hamas.
Because the people didn’t get rid of Hamas and the tunnels and put an end to the terrorism themselves, now the tunnels have to be destroyed by the neighbor. If they call ahead and tell everyone to get away from the building, that’s valid under any legal or moral standard for warfare.
Nothing I’ve said excuses the actual war crimes committed by groups or individuals in the IDF. Israel will prosecute them pretty fairly and fairly aggressively. Maybe they might even throw the fucking book at them to help shut down some of these wildly exaggerated narratives.
While I don’t think there is evidence of genocide or genocidal intent, that could change if, after destroying Hamas and the tunnels, Israel were to do things such as fail to rebuild the housing, hospitals, and schools it has destroyed in order to get to the tunnels. That’s part of Israel’s duty as a neighbor: Before October 7, I viewed Israel’s occupation and control over Gaza as illegal annexation. But the tunnels are forfeit now and since the very foundation of the cities themselves make the ground above structurally inhabitable, now I consider it irredentism. The Palestinian people have no capacity to govern or rebuild without their neighbor’s good will, at this point.
As a Democracy, I have hope that the Israeli people are people of good will and will make right what can be restored.
You’re excusing the war crimes of Israel starving the people of Gaza of food, water, electricity, and basic medical care while they bomb residential homes, critical public infrastructure, safe zones, and refugee camps. The decades of brutal occupation, the deprivation of basic human rights of Palestinians.
You’re failing to recognize how groups like Hamas exist in the first place and you’re failing to recognize how this repeated forced displacement, unending bombing, and deprivation of fundamental needs is not how those groups go away.
The tunnels are a result of the blockade blocking necessities along with Israel controlling water, electricity, sea, air, movement, etc.
The “humanitarian corridors” are ethnic cleansing
Nah you just got tricked.
Which source are you referring to?
The one where Hamas isn’t running from the Palestinian people in utter fear for having caused and prolonged their suffering under things such as the dual use policy. Instead, Hamas is more popular than ever. It’s inexcusable. Their ideolgy is one of far right authoritarianism, which makes your profile commentary an absolute joke. Again, wondering why you’re here siding with the diplomatic corps of Iran and North Korea, against those of Canada and Japan, France and America. Truly bizarre how twisted up you are.
I support Palestinian emancipation, not the actions of Hamas. You’re confusing geopolitical interests of countries that want to weaken the global power of the US and humanitarian interests in Palestinian people to have basic human rights. I guess Ireland is also siding with North Korea if your view is that simplistic. Most of those countries you mentioned just want to weaken the US foothold in the middle east and soft power and don’t have a genuine interest in Palestinian emancipation. You’re the one getting it twisted
You and Ireland got tricked.
Have the civilians been giving warnings to evacuate again and again? Yes. Do they stay behind to die as voluntary martyrs to draw sympathy? Yes.
Those are the facts. And they aren’t doing because they want to “see America weakened” or whatever bs you think you know about. The are doing it because the self determination of individuals through representative government is antithetical to their entire sense of identity and being, you know, rich customs such as stoning women to death for learning too much math and other atrocities.
“Everyone who disagrees with me has been tricked” /s
Pretty much. Thanks for reading! Lot of bad actors out there right now trying to trick Americans and it seems to be working.
You think Palestinians like to get killed for Internet fame? That makes no sense, you have no idea what a martyr is here, it’s anyone who dies from the occupying forces.
Your argument boils down to “it’s their fault they died because they wanted to” and “they deserve it because of their backward views” none of which are based in reality. I’ve given you a huge variety of sources you can easily verify on your own accord. Yet you consider that a ‘trick’ unlike the official IDF narrative supported by many western media outlets despite a record of falsified information. Even Biden has literally repeated IDF talking points such as the 40 beheaded babies, until it was quickly proven false and walked back.
If I didn’t know any better, I’d say that JustZ guy/gal thinks Gazans are a bunch of camel-piss drinkers…
Classic colonial argument, “We have to bring them democracy! They don’t know any better!”
Worked for the US when invading Iraq and it’s sure as hell working for Israel now lol up to a point.
Second sentence of your link:
The democratic country of Ireland got tricked? Hmm. What makes the UK trick-averse?
Yes it’s true. The UK is not trick averse, as with Brexit. A lot of people there, as in America, are angry want to see the violence stopped. I am too. I just don’t think the violence should stop until Hamas is gone and the area can be rebuilt safely.
It seems clear to me why Irish leadership has more sympathy with Hamas than than folks in the UK. Do you need me to explain their history?
Who stones women to death for math? 😬
Islamic fundamentalists, of which Hamas is included, along with its patron states, Iran and Qatar. I’m exaggerating about the stoning for rhetorical purposes, but not by much.
You know who I’m talking about, right around this region here: https://commons.m.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A_map_showing_countries_where_public_stoning_is_judicial_or_extrajudicial_form_of_punishment.SVG#mw-jump-to-license