• @hperrin
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    110 months ago

    What’s wrong with the divorce rate increasing? Like, no joke, is that not a good thing? More people getting out of bad relationships seems like a better outcome.

    • Saik0
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      310 months ago

      If you look at the study the number one reason for divorce is “lack of commitment”. That doesn’t necessarily mean it was a “bad” relationship…

      • @hperrin
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        -110 months ago

        That’s just a nice way of saying infidelity.

        • Saik0
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          110 months ago

          That is its own selection… and was #3. There’s a 20% difference between the numbers. If it was “just” a nice way to say infidelity then those numbers would be functionally equivalent. But they’re not.

          • @hperrin
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            010 months ago

            Then what does “lack of commitment” mean?

            • Saik0
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              110 months ago

              No idea… I’m not representative to the 630,505 [supposed] divorces that the study covers…

              Why People are Divorcing in the United States
              42. Lack of commitment is the most common reason given by divorcing couples according to a recent national survey. Here are the reasons given and their percentages:

              Lack of commitment 73%
              Argue too much 56%
              Infidelity 55%
              Married too young 46%
              Unrealistic expectations 45%
              Lack of equality in the relationship 44%
              Lack of preparation for marriage 41%
              Domestic Violence or Abuse 25%
              

              If it was “bad” relationship… which I take to mean that the person was being physically/verbally abusive. Then I would suspect that the 25% number would be much higher. It doesn’t make sense that “Lack of commitment” as a distinct option would be so high when the others are so low comparatively.

              What people view as difference between them is in their own head and based on their own experience. My first marriage, my ex-wife brought drugs into my house. I would absolutely consider that “lack of commitment” based on these options if I was filling out a survey or something (no idea how these values were collected… possibly from the court proceedings themselves? In which case I could look at my own and validate… but I don’t care enough.) I was in the military at the time, and drugs is automatic issues. She also wouldn’t get and hold a job… so lack of equality could also count, though I probably wouldn’t have checked that box. Neither of us were abusive to each other.

              • @hperrin
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                010 months ago

                That’s not what I meant by “bad relationship”. That would be “abusive relationship”, which is a much worse thing, but included under the umbrella term. I would call your relationship that you just described as a bad relationship. Aren’t you happy that you’re no longer married to her?

                • Saik0
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                  010 months ago

                  I would call your relationship that you just described as a bad relationship.

                  Just the 2 issues alone I presented in my previous marriage qualify your “bad” relationship requirement? Far from. All the other context that you’re missing is what made it a bad relationship, not those 2 issues at face value. I was simply showing 2 examples of my previous marriage that would make me check those 2 particular boxes (if this were a survey).

                  Aren’t you happy that you’re no longer married to her?

                  Happiness isn’t a qualifier of good or bad. I’m not always “happy” in my current marriage. But marriage is often a compromise and that’s okay. I recently had about 10 months of “unhappiness” in my current marriage. Does that make this marriage “bad” after almost 10 years? No.

                  If this is your metric, then you’ve got a massive self-entitlement problem.

                  • @hperrin
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                    010 months ago

                    You should take more of the things that I say as the worst and least charitable interpretations, and assign more motives to me that make me seem irrational and illogical. I don’t think you’ve done those enough yet.

                    Anyway, I hope you find whatever you’re looking for. This conversation is very unproductive, and I’d like to stop here.