• @WaxedWookie
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    -311 months ago

    You don’t get better if the fascists win, dismantle democracy and commit a series of genocides. Do the bare fucking minimum - vote - then spend the rest of the election cycle pushing for better.

    You don’t get better by pissing away your vote on a meaningless virtue signal - you get fascism.

    • @PopOfAfrica
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      11 months ago

      Sure, that is fine and dandy.

      But I dont think its entitled to ask for a good option.

      There is, right now, an enthusiasm gap, and to overcome it, whether you like it or not, Biden is simply going to have to do better.

      Thats the utilitarian reality. Now is exactly the time for progressives to make demands, and its exactly the time for him to meet them

      For some reason. Your type doesn’t see better as an option from Biden.

      • @WaxedWookie
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        -311 months ago

        What do you think happens when you vote third party (or don’t vote)?

        Maybe (and I strongly doubt this) the Dems get the message, and get a little better as you empower those that have clearly and repeatedly signalled that they don’t care about democracy - you get an election cycle with the fascists, and all that costs us, then you may never get another election in which you’d elect the improved Democrats.

        Congratulations - you fucked the country because you refused to do the bare minimum.

        The election booth isn’t the place for activism - it’s a place to pick the lesser evil, because you don’t get a third option. Fight for better options the other 1,458 days of the election cycle, then vote for the best available.

        • @PopOfAfrica
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          411 months ago

          Im not saying withholding the vote it the right or wrong answer, Im saying its up to politicians to earn their votes.

          I think the reason the options are so poor right now is because we’ve created a system where we arent allowed to ask for more.

          So again, the reality is the reality. There is an enthusiasm gap. How is Biden going to fix it? Because trying to shame or scare would be voters is not the answer. Try again.

          • @WaxedWookie
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            011 months ago

            Biden isn’t going to push for the change I’m looking for. You’re fix it by keeping the fascists out of power on election day while doing everything you can to push them to do better or be replaced by someone who will outside election day.

            As for scaring voters? The GOP is evidence that’s an incredibly effective strategy.

            • @PopOfAfrica
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              111 months ago

              Why cant he? Why is Biden doing better not an option?

              • @WaxedWookie
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                011 months ago

                It’s a matter of using executive authority, not feats of strength - He can, but there’s little to nothing in his track record that indicates he will. That’s why he (and the party broadly) needs to be pushed to do better or replaced with someone that will.

                Don’t forget it was you saying we aren’t allowed to ask for more.

                • @PopOfAfrica
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                  111 months ago

                  How do we replace them if we must vote for them every time?

                  • @WaxedWookie
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                    -111 months ago
                    • Primaries
                    • Lobbying/advocacy/phone banking/activism/volunteering/donations, etc.
                    • Voting up and down ballot to shift the party mix and representative context.

                    Can you point to any examples of withholding votes being effective rather than simply empowering the greater evil?