Fifth of men aged 16-29 look favourably on social media influencer Andrew Tate

Boys and men from generation Z are more likely than older baby boomers to believe that feminism has done more harm than good, according to research that shows a “real risk of fractious division among this coming generation”.

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On feminism, 16% of gen Z males felt it had done more harm than good. Among over-60s the figure was 13%.

The figures emerged from Ipsos polling for King’s College London’s Policy Institute and the Global Institute for Women’s Leadership. The research also found that 37% of men aged 16 to 29 consider “toxic masculinity” an unhelpful phrase, roughly double the number of young women who don’t like it.

“This is a new and unusual generational pattern,” said Prof Bobby Duffy, director of the Policy Institute. “Normally, it tends to be the case that younger generations are consistently more comfortable with emerging social norms, as they grew up with these as a natural part of their lives.”

Link to study: https://www.kcl.ac.uk/news/masculinity-and-womens-equality-study-finds-emerging-gender-divide-in-young-peoples-attitudes

  • bedrooms
    6•4 months ago

    Well, the problem is that nobody collects history of feminism articles they have read. I’m not gonna spend time on collecting them. Even if I did, you don’t know how fair my collection strategy would be. I have no idea what Google query would reproduce the samples the average person encounters these things online. So, to do this fairly requires a dedication akin to writing a scientific article on this topic… Nobody has the time.

    And if I presented such a survey, you’d do your own research to verify the results anyway. So, I hate to say this, but why not check the web yourself?

    If you don’t, I think the most feasible you could try is to summarize people’s replies.

    • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)English
      1•4 months ago

      Well, the problem is that nobody collects history of feminism articles they have read.

      Apparently you don’t have to, because ‘Somehow, most articles written by feministsI’ve read love to stereotype and bash men.’ So go find some of these articles.

      It’s not my job to verify your insulting, reductive, broad-sweeping claims. Feminists have fought for equality for both men and women, this is a fact. The missive is “… a range of socio-political movements and ideologies that aim to define and establish the political, economic, personal, and social equality of the sexes.[a][2][3][4][5] Feminism holds the position that societies prioritize the male point of view and that women are treated unjustly in these societies.[6] Efforts to change this include fighting against gender stereotypes and improving educational, professional, and interpersonal opportunities and outcomes for women.”

      How we go from that to ‘most articles just stereotype and bash men’? You don’t get to make a claim like ’ most articles written by feministsI’ve read love to stereotype and bash men’ and then literally provide zero examples. This is just Hasty Generalization and it’s depressing to watch another man do this in a thread about the sudden decline in men agreeing that gender equality-seeking is somehow ‘stereotyping and bashing men.’

      • bedrooms
        2•4 months ago

        I agree with you on what it is, though. The problem, if the problem exists as I wrote, is the PR.

        PR is different from what feminism is.

        I guess what I wrote is too nuanced to understand in the first sight. I advice you to temporarily assume I’m correct, so that you can calm down and see what I really mean here.

        • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)English
          -2•4 months ago

          The problem, if the problem exists as I wrote, is the PR. … I guess what I wrote is too nuanced to understand in the first sight

          Not really, you said:

          I never had the impression that feminists are good at PR. Somehow, most articles written by feministsI’ve read love to stereotype and bash men.

          And, to this point, still haven’t posted a single one.

          To quote a philosopher from my youth:

          If you’re not part of the solution, you’re part of the problem.

          • bedrooms
            2•4 months ago

            I agree with you on what it is, though.

            Can you explain to me how you interpret this one, then? I’m pretty sure it’s just misunderstanding.

            • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)English
              2•4 months ago

              I don’t agree with you, because you said the ‘issue with feminisms PR’ is posts on twitter, reddit, and ‘most articles I read’. You didn’t respond with any of the articles, and people say all sorts of things on twitter and reddit. They don’t encompass the entirety of a group like people who want gender equality.

              Here’s an example of how feminism helps boys and girls, and the positive impacts of it.

              That’s two articles I’ve posted here, feel free to post your myriad misandrist feminist articles.

              • bedrooms
                2•4 months ago

                I mean, how many URLs do you want from me?

                Edit: you ignored my question btw…

                Edit 2: You don’t understand my point. The only thing I can do is to tell you to read my past comments carefully at this stage.

                • TSG_Asmodeus (he, him)English
                  0•4 months ago

                  I mean, how many URLs do you want from me?

                  I mean, one? You’ve literally posted zero. In the time it took you to reply to me a half dozen times you could go look up articles you vaguely remember that are ‘… written by feministsI’ve read love to stereotype and bash men’, take some, and then post them.

                  The only thing I can do is to tell you to read my past comments carefully at this stage.

                  Or (see above)

                  • bedrooms
                    2•4 months ago

                    I think you misunderstood what I mean by “most articles”. I mean the articles that reached me. That’s different from the articles that’s online.

                    If you just want one, there was already someone who posted two for you. Can you explain to me the point of me adding one?