No, they tentatively agreed with South Africa’s accusation towards Israel for genocide. Because 95% of the world know it’s a genocide. Why are we arguing semantics over a meme?
They did not. They said that Israel needs to let more aid in and do more for the protection of civilians, but the decision if it counts as a genocide is pending. Also its not 95 %, its 95 % on lemmy. In the real world people check if any of the criteria for a genocide is fulfilled. And spoiler: they are either not fulfilled or up for dicsussion.
Really? Last i checked every country except the pieces of shit ones we actively try to wipe out agreed it’s genocide and have condemned Israel. This is as textbook a case of genocide as China wiping out the Wygirs. Denying it is cope or just malicious at this point.
Its not, though. The definition is ‘actions with the intention to whipe out an entire people’. And as long as you don’t count Hamas as a people, its simply not happening.
In more detail, a genocide are acts, with the intention of whiping out a people, by doing either:
killing individuals because they are part of this people
Inflicting severe physical or mental damage to individuals because they are part of this people
The deliberate subjugation to living conditions aimed at the total or partial destruction of this people
Forced Birth control
Kidnapping with the intention of assimilating them.
Lets consider the genocide of Uigyurs. The CCP is guilty of 2 and 5. You can also debate if 4 is valid – but since the CCP is also doing that to their own people, its debatable.
Next consider the Russian attack on Ukraine. While they are killing a lot of individuals, this alone is no genocide. A war is no genocide. Nevertheless, there is some evidence, that 5 is happening – which would constitute a genocide.
And now back to Israel. Israel is killing a lot of individuals and inflict mental and physical damage to them. But this isn’t done with the intention of elimating the Palestinians (similar to Russia and Ukraine). This is simply war. There are for example Palestinians living in Israel and they are not harmed. For 4 and 5 are no evidence at all. That leaves 3 open. And this is actually the point open for discussion. Israel is heavily influence the living conditions. The question is, if this is done for war tactics (to starve the Hamas) or if this is already so severe, that this could constitute a genocide.
And this is also the part the ICJ discusses and hasn’t come to a decision yet.
So calling this a genocide is definitely a stretch.
This doesnt mean, that the attack on Palestine and the continued denial of a two-state solution is just. And I personally am definitely advocating for a ceasefire and a rebuild of an independent Palestinian state, for which Israel needs to pay for. And not calling it a genocide doesnt mean that there were no war crimes.
I really like how you examine the arguments and find your own. Maybe you have a different definition of genocide. Or any facts that show that Israel is in fact meeting any point of the definition with their actions.
Yeah I’m not dissecting a dissertation on how the Palestinians aren’t a race of people or how Israel definitely isn’t carelessly lobbing bombs at civilians, targeting safezones they themselves designate, and are intentionally killing unarmed people based on their race and location.
If you can’t understand how killing an entire people based on the land they were born on is genocide, I question your basic understanding of the word. This is a genocide. An extermination. A holocaust. Use whatever fucking word you want it’s indefensible.
The semantics game you’re playing to do everything in your power not to call it a genocide says more about you than it does about me. It’s a genocide. Genocide is a war crime. It’s a crime against humanity.
Palestinians are a people. Israel is intentionally destroying them. Open and shut. Good day.
No, they tentatively agreed with South Africa’s accusation towards Israel for genocide. Because 95% of the world know it’s a genocide. Why are we arguing semantics over a meme?
They did not. They said that Israel needs to let more aid in and do more for the protection of civilians, but the decision if it counts as a genocide is pending. Also its not 95 %, its 95 % on lemmy. In the real world people check if any of the criteria for a genocide is fulfilled. And spoiler: they are either not fulfilled or up for dicsussion.
Really? Last i checked every country except the pieces of shit ones we actively try to wipe out agreed it’s genocide and have condemned Israel. This is as textbook a case of genocide as China wiping out the Wygirs. Denying it is cope or just malicious at this point.
Its not, though. The definition is ‘actions with the intention to whipe out an entire people’. And as long as you don’t count Hamas as a people, its simply not happening.
In more detail, a genocide are acts, with the intention of whiping out a people, by doing either:
Lets consider the genocide of Uigyurs. The CCP is guilty of 2 and 5. You can also debate if 4 is valid – but since the CCP is also doing that to their own people, its debatable.
Next consider the Russian attack on Ukraine. While they are killing a lot of individuals, this alone is no genocide. A war is no genocide. Nevertheless, there is some evidence, that 5 is happening – which would constitute a genocide.
And now back to Israel. Israel is killing a lot of individuals and inflict mental and physical damage to them. But this isn’t done with the intention of elimating the Palestinians (similar to Russia and Ukraine). This is simply war. There are for example Palestinians living in Israel and they are not harmed. For 4 and 5 are no evidence at all. That leaves 3 open. And this is actually the point open for discussion. Israel is heavily influence the living conditions. The question is, if this is done for war tactics (to starve the Hamas) or if this is already so severe, that this could constitute a genocide.
And this is also the part the ICJ discusses and hasn’t come to a decision yet.
So calling this a genocide is definitely a stretch.
This doesnt mean, that the attack on Palestine and the continued denial of a two-state solution is just. And I personally am definitely advocating for a ceasefire and a rebuild of an independent Palestinian state, for which Israel needs to pay for. And not calling it a genocide doesnt mean that there were no war crimes.
But calling it a genocide? Far stretch.
That’s a lot of mental gymnastics to cope with being violently incorrect.
I really like how you examine the arguments and find your own. Maybe you have a different definition of genocide. Or any facts that show that Israel is in fact meeting any point of the definition with their actions.
Yeah I’m not dissecting a dissertation on how the Palestinians aren’t a race of people or how Israel definitely isn’t carelessly lobbing bombs at civilians, targeting safezones they themselves designate, and are intentionally killing unarmed people based on their race and location.
If you can’t understand how killing an entire people based on the land they were born on is genocide, I question your basic understanding of the word. This is a genocide. An extermination. A holocaust. Use whatever fucking word you want it’s indefensible.
Nothing of the things you mentioned constitutes a genocide. These are war crimes.
And if you argue that Palestinians aren’t a people, the whole concept of a genocide is completely off.
The semantics game you’re playing to do everything in your power not to call it a genocide says more about you than it does about me. It’s a genocide. Genocide is a war crime. It’s a crime against humanity.
Palestinians are a people. Israel is intentionally destroying them. Open and shut. Good day.