• DarkGamer
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    810 months ago

    Remember how much political capital Obama had to spend just to get the ACA passed, and even then just barely? I would love universal healthcare but this probably isn’t the best time to push for it, at least not until fascism is defeated and Democrats have the numbers. The president isn’t a genie who can just make things like this happen unilaterally. The public may support it but Republicans do not.

    • @apfelwoiSchoppen
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      010 months ago

      This is a bleak perspective and I refuse to believe that it isn’t a good time. When will it ever. That view will never produce change.

      • DarkGamer
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        10 months ago

        Pushing for legislation that is a non-starter when we are barely able to pass a budget to keep the government running isn’t a great strategy. Political capital needs to be spent where it is most effective, even if that means putting good legislation that isn’t viable on the back burner from time to time.

        I hope we get universal healthcare sooner rather than later, but our problems are a little more existential right now. They might elect the guy who wants to end democracy. Sometimes we must compromise and do what is viable rather than what is desired. The good should not be sacrificed in pursuit of the perfect.

        • @apfelwoiSchoppen
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          410 months ago

          People not getting healthcare right now, is just as existential. Why are we not deserving of passing that? The time to fight for things like that is now. I’m not saying we shouldn’t vote against Trump, we are all saying it is best to have a healthy conversation about who would be a better candidate overall.

          • DarkGamer
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            310 months ago

            It has nothing to do with deserving, it has to do with viability.

            • @apfelwoiSchoppen
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              110 months ago

              You shrink the world of possible with your imperfect logic on probable.

              • @Cryophilia
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                010 months ago

                That doesn’t even make any sense.

                • @apfelwoiSchoppen
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                  110 months ago

                  Oh it makes a lot of sense. Constrain the possible set of candidates, ones that poll better than Biden, using corporate media, and you get a certain samsie set of candidates. These candidates generally have some different domestic policies and incredibly similar foreign policy perspectives: see children in cages, committing coups, aggressiveely policing the world through the military, circumventing UN goals (our military is exempt from climate talks) etc etc etc.

                  Biden is not our candidate, he is the corporate candidate of choice for the Democratic Party.

                  • @Cryophilia
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                    010 months ago

                    Yeah except you’re wrong.

                    children in cages

                    Republicans. Biden set up a task force to reunite the families.

                    committing coups

                    I don’t think this is Dem or Republican…we haven’t done coups since the Arab Spring. Although it would be nice if we managed to push Iran into one, that is definitely on the table.

                    aggressiveely policing the world through the military

                    Republicans. Republicans start wars, Democrats end them.

                    circumventing UN goals

                    Republicans.

                    Like seriously, it’s that fucking meme over and over again.

                    Republicans do bad things

                    Idiots: “why would the Democrats do this??”