Let me get this straight, when people refuse to vote for a candidate for not leaning far enough to the left you are defending the party moving to the right in response?
I mean if that’s what you actually believe cool but it would mean that democracy can’t work. Because refusing to vote for someone who doesn’t support issues you care about results in them abandoning you even further.
I am saying that there’s very serious material harm done to the country because of Donald Trump’s first term, which for as horrible as she was, wouldn’t have happened or anywhere close to, if it had been Hilary Clinton. Abortion and immigration are two very clear demonstrations, yes.
You’re blaming the harm that he did on the Democrats somehow, and then threatening to do the exact same thing to Biden that, when it happened to Clinton, opened the door for him to do it in the first place. And this time, the harm he does will be infinitely worse.
If we’re going that far back let’s go back further to when the Democrats had a super majority under Obama. They could have codified Roe v. Wade then, but they didn’t. Instead they passed a Republican healthcare plan from the 90’s (requiring citizens to buy insurance while leaving it up to states on how to actually do that) and completely turned away from demands for a single-payer system.
We don’t blame Democrats for the harm Republicans do. We blame them for caving to them at every turn and doing nothing to fix the damage when they have the opportunity. Not to mention the harm they themselves do (supporting/funding genocide, Biden’s crime bill from the early 90’s that helped create the modern culture of policing, Kamala campaigning to keep nonviolent weed offenders in prison after legalization, etc.)
“But ______ is so much worse” is a worse and worse argument the more the political ratchet moves to the right. Reps drag us right Dems keep us from moving left.
You’re blaming the harm that he did on the Democrats somehow, and then threatening to do the exact same thing to Biden that, when it happened to Clinton, opened the door for him to do it in the first place. And this time, the harm he does will be infinitely worse.
Yes. After 2016 did you think we were bluffing twice?
Stop electing pro-corporate trash in the primaries. Start screaming at people who vote for pro-corporate trash in the primaries. Start screaming at the DNC for having primaries be decided in states that go to Republicans in the general. Start screaming at Biden to promise not to block the rail unions in 2025. Start screaming at Biden to stop supplying weapons to Israel.
One of those things might make a difference. Screaming at us will not. I promise you.
I have no idea who you voted for. If you didn’t vote for Biden then great. You’re not a selfish piece of shit. Congratulations. Now take a look at the rest of my recommendations for things that would be a better use of your time:
Start screaming at people who vote for pro-corporate trash in the primaries. Start screaming at the DNC for having primaries be decided in states that go to Republicans in the general. Start screaming at Biden to promise not to block the rail unions in 2025. Start screaming at Biden to stop supplying weapons to Israel.
One of those things might make a difference. Screaming at us will not. I promise you.
What if Bernie Sanders might get elected in the primary, but I decide there’s an element of his platform that I don’t like, and I stay home in protest instead of voting, and Biden wins the primary instead? Am I, then, a selfish piece of shit?
Anyone who didn’t vote, or voted for Warren, Bernie, Pete, Kamala or even a couple others is fine by me. But if they voted for Biden they’re a selfish piece of shit. If they voted for Bloomberg they’re a selfish piece of shit and a moron.
Let me get this straight, when people refuse to vote for a candidate for not leaning far enough to the left you are defending the party moving to the right in response?
I mean if that’s what you actually believe cool but it would mean that democracy can’t work. Because refusing to vote for someone who doesn’t support issues you care about results in them abandoning you even further.
I am saying that there’s very serious material harm done to the country because of Donald Trump’s first term, which for as horrible as she was, wouldn’t have happened or anywhere close to, if it had been Hilary Clinton. Abortion and immigration are two very clear demonstrations, yes.
You’re blaming the harm that he did on the Democrats somehow, and then threatening to do the exact same thing to Biden that, when it happened to Clinton, opened the door for him to do it in the first place. And this time, the harm he does will be infinitely worse.
If we’re going that far back let’s go back further to when the Democrats had a super majority under Obama. They could have codified Roe v. Wade then, but they didn’t. Instead they passed a Republican healthcare plan from the 90’s (requiring citizens to buy insurance while leaving it up to states on how to actually do that) and completely turned away from demands for a single-payer system.
We don’t blame Democrats for the harm Republicans do. We blame them for caving to them at every turn and doing nothing to fix the damage when they have the opportunity. Not to mention the harm they themselves do (supporting/funding genocide, Biden’s crime bill from the early 90’s that helped create the modern culture of policing, Kamala campaigning to keep nonviolent weed offenders in prison after legalization, etc.)
“But ______ is so much worse” is a worse and worse argument the more the political ratchet moves to the right. Reps drag us right Dems keep us from moving left.
Yes. After 2016 did you think we were bluffing twice?
Stop electing pro-corporate trash in the primaries. Start screaming at people who vote for pro-corporate trash in the primaries. Start screaming at the DNC for having primaries be decided in states that go to Republicans in the general. Start screaming at Biden to promise not to block the rail unions in 2025. Start screaming at Biden to stop supplying weapons to Israel.
One of those things might make a difference. Screaming at us will not. I promise you.
Are you under the impression that somehow I have the ability to elect different people in the primaries, and I’m just choosing not to?
I have no idea who you voted for. If you didn’t vote for Biden then great. You’re not a selfish piece of shit. Congratulations. Now take a look at the rest of my recommendations for things that would be a better use of your time:
What if Bernie Sanders might get elected in the primary, but I decide there’s an element of his platform that I don’t like, and I stay home in protest instead of voting, and Biden wins the primary instead? Am I, then, a selfish piece of shit?
No.
Anyone who didn’t vote, or voted for Warren, Bernie, Pete, Kamala or even a couple others is fine by me. But if they voted for Biden they’re a selfish piece of shit. If they voted for Bloomberg they’re a selfish piece of shit and a moron.