• @pjwestin
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      110 months ago

      Yeah, but it’s just Websters that acknowledges the use of literally to mean, “virtually,” or, “figuratively,” and they’ve gotten so much shit for that they wrote 3 paragraphs after the definition and a whole separate article trying to justify it. It’s completely unjustifiable; their definition actually says, “a statement or description that is not literally true.” Normally you never want to define a word with the word itself, much less define it as the the opposite of the word itself, but that’s what happens when you try to turn an antonym into a synonym.

      • 𝕯𝖎𝖕𝖘𝖍𝖎𝖙
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        210 months ago

        The purpose of dictionaries is to reflect how the public uses a word. It would be correct of a dictionary to include this definition because it’s literally how the public uses the word literally. It must be frustrating when a definition changes, but it’s not like the dictionary has any actual authority outside of scrabble.

        • @pjwestin
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          110 months ago

          The purpose of a dictionary is also to provide clear definitions so that words have universal meanings. There’s a difference between adding a second definition to a word to reflect common slang, like adding the drug-related meaning to tweak, and accepting the misinterpretation of a word as correct, like irregardless. There’s a reason other reputable dictionaries like Oxford didn’t adopt the use of Literally to mean, “virtually,” (and it’s a little embarrassing that the American-English dictionary did).

            • @pjwestin
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              110 months ago

              Sorry, don’t follow. You mean like, “no lie?”

              • 𝕯𝖎𝖕𝖘𝖍𝖎𝖙
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                10 months ago

                Well, what does the dictionary say? isn’t that the purpose of it? (to find meaning in modern language)

                • @pjwestin
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                  110 months ago

                  I don’t see it on dictionary.com or Websters. I don’t see any problem with adding it as an alternate slang definition, but I feel like it’s gonna fall out of fashion before it gets used widely enough to justify adding it to a dictionary. I also don’t see how it relates to what I’m saying, since (as far as I know) it’s use doesn’t come from people not know what, “cap,” means.

                  • 𝕯𝖎𝖕𝖘𝖍𝖎𝖙
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                    110 months ago

                    It relates to what I’m saying about language and dictionaries. I’ve mentioned this before but maybe not to you - dictionaries aren’t an authority on language, unless you’re playing a board game like scrabble. What was incorrect years ago (e.g., using the word “literally” to mean “figuratively”) is now correct in the dictionary, because the people using the language have evolved the language.

                    no cap.

                    And that’s the thing about slang, it will eventually become part of language enough that it will be added to dictionaries. Dictionaries not keeping up with this aren’t doing their job and they’ll fall out of fashion. To my knowledge, all major dictionaries do this (follow language used in society and define what it means in the dictionary).

                    The “no cap” example is one that relates to what i’m trying to say about dictionaries. Sadly, I can’t find a good definition of “cap” in the context of “cap / no cap” so the dictionaries need to catch up to this, and that’s a problem, because we otherwise don’t know what these words mean. From my understanding, cap means “to lie” as in to not tell a truth, so “no cap” would mean “no lie” and “no cap?” would mean “you’re not lying right?”. Urban dictionary, for all the shit it gets, does a pretty good job of keeping up with this. Websters is probably the best real dictionary that’s going to be likely to have useful defintions of words.

                    From what I hear, it sounds like oxford is going to stagnate, likely not adding new words very often, even as new words are made. If I want to get information on current events, I’m not going to haul out encyclopedia britanica, I’m going to start with wikipedia and go from there. Etc…

                    Now, perhaps Oxford will be always representitive to the queen’s / king’s english, but since no one (at least in america) speaks that, I doubt it will have much relevance unless they get with the times.

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          110 months ago

          Yeah, but there’s a difference between a word that had contradictory meanings for generations and one dictionary changing it’s definition to reflect misuse.