It all comes down to what you use the device for. I know the apple hate is strong but there’s not a whole lot of different use cases going in to either one other than the ecosystems. Also most android fanatics haven’t even used an iPhone to comment on anything. They do anyway though.
I have used an iPhone for 2 years and getting an Android 6 months ago was a breath of fresh air. I could install any app I wanted, including custom launchers, sms, TTS, etc. I didn’t have to sign into a MAGMA account to use the device. I had a headphone jack. I could add a network speed tracked in the status bar. I could actually implement DNS adblocking and it worked. I could install Firefox extensions - a huge thing that’s 36% of the reason I’m not going back to iPhone.
DNS ad blocking on iOS has been fine a few years at least. I’ve been using NextDNS on mine since 2020. I actually shocked some family members at how easy it was to setup on theirs, to the point where they felt weird not seeing the ads plastered everywhere. One actually wanted them back. Stockholm Syndrome, I guess.
You can use either their app, which toggles a network profile for the DNS, or install a MDM profile from their site, which is a more persistent option. I prefer the app as you can toggle it off if something isn’t working and you want to confirm whther the DNS is the culprit.
Orion allows Firefox extensions and I’m sure others do as well. If you’re a nerd, love tinkering around constantly, and not your standard insta/tiktok/facebook/insert dating app user which I would argue is a huge amount of phone users. Android is the obvious choice, but only specific ones of course cuz there’s hate there too towards specific brands if you’re super nerd.
DNS ad blocking works too through VPN ad blockers (for 4-5? Years now). I don’t want to argue but every point you made makes no sense. You just didn’t do any research or are not really at the nerdom level to be so appreciative of an Android.
Orion allows Firefox extensions and I’m sure others do as well
I honestly didn’t know about Orion. The lack of alternate browser engines on iOS is still problematic though.
DNS ad blocking works too through VPN ad blockers
Cool, you refuted one more point. How about the rest? You still need an Apple account to use iOS properly - to install apps, to have automatic cloud backup (only iCloud is allowed to run in the background - and I know because I used to use Google photos, you had to have the app open to backup photos). You can’t edit the status bar to show a network speed indicator or anything else. You can’t install third party SMS, phone, or launcher apps and the FOSS environment is quite small anyway due to Apple’s walled garden with the app store and hostility to developers - It costs $99 p/a + the cost of an Apple computer to release an app to the Apple app store.
You just didn’t do any research or are not really at the nerdom level to be so appreciative of an Android.
Lol, gatekeeping, much? I would argue even for noobs android is better just for the FOSS suite available and ease of switching if they do become more tech literate and start caring more about customisablity.
Android is the obvious choice, but only specific ones of course cuz there’s hate there too towards specific brands if you’re super nerd.
Any Android device is miles above an Apple device, but eg Pixels with GrapheneOS are obviously going to be superior to Samsung or Huawei phones too. On that I agree with you.
I think both are great and have nearly all of the same things. Really all I was getting at.
iCloud is a plus for me as it intertwines everything I use seamlessly. I can’t argue a point against you not wanting an apple account.
I agree with the side loading points but for me the greater argument there is what are you needing to side load and is there not something better that already exists without having to side load? I’m a super nerd and don’t have anything I need to side load but I have AltStore setup just in case I would want to.
I agree with the browser crap too. I have no issues there though either other than safari maybe being too strict on cookies at times. I have all the extensions I need, even userscripts. Shortcuts is extremely powerful these days too.
Why do I need a third party sms? I honestly don’t even know what that means? There’s tons of different apps for alternate phone numbers for texting. Or you really want to have a completely different messages app using all of the features of the Messages app? For what? Launcher apps were cool when I was flashing custom roms and stuff as a teenager.
They’re not miles above. What FOSS do you absolutely need that isn’t on iOS?
Again I find them both great… I just don’t understand the need to come in to threads and bash apple users.
As a developer: superior hardware, years ahead of Android in terms of performance. Android is way too limited in what you can do with it as a developer.
Practically you simply can do a lot more on iOS, especially if you are doing things that require a lot of performance. The CPU is much, much faster, you have access to more RAM, the GPUs are more advanced. There is actually a GPU computer API that works on all phones instead of the mess on Android where there simply isn’t anything that is universally supported.
APIs are also a lot more powerful on iOS. Anything related to media, for example. You have so much more control and advanced APIs for things like the camera, dealing with video data, etc. There simply is no comparison. Android is a toy OS compared to iOS.
None of them actually sell your data, and both of them have personnalised ads. The difference being one pretends to be a privacy warrior and the other has pretty detailed and granular privacy settings (spoiler, that’s not apple). Dont get me wrong, I dont like Google either and they probably collect and actually process personnal data than apple, but both of them are absolutely terrible and both of them absolutely know everything about you. It’s just that apple is much better at preserving a good brand image. Though one valid point I could see is that having a phone made by apple reduces the likely number of parties who have access to that data, on android, you often buy a phone from samsung or the others, and then they also have their spyware on theere
I used to install custom ROMs on my android phone and spent days of my life getting everything exactly the way I wanted things.
I ended up with a clunkier version of iOS.
Ultimately I don’t need or want an open platform in my pocket. I want to be able to trust that the App Store isn’t garbage, and don’t want to have to worry about my parents easily installing viruses on their devices.
I’m sorry for the Apple users, but Apple devices are so restricted, why would you even want to use one?
It all comes down to what you use the device for. I know the apple hate is strong but there’s not a whole lot of different use cases going in to either one other than the ecosystems. Also most android fanatics haven’t even used an iPhone to comment on anything. They do anyway though.
I have used an iPhone for 2 years and getting an Android 6 months ago was a breath of fresh air. I could install any app I wanted, including custom launchers, sms, TTS, etc. I didn’t have to sign into a MAGMA account to use the device. I had a headphone jack. I could add a network speed tracked in the status bar. I could actually implement DNS adblocking and it worked. I could install Firefox extensions - a huge thing that’s 36% of the reason I’m not going back to iPhone.
DNS ad blocking on iOS has been fine a few years at least. I’ve been using NextDNS on mine since 2020. I actually shocked some family members at how easy it was to setup on theirs, to the point where they felt weird not seeing the ads plastered everywhere. One actually wanted them back. Stockholm Syndrome, I guess.
You can use either their app, which toggles a network profile for the DNS, or install a MDM profile from their site, which is a more persistent option. I prefer the app as you can toggle it off if something isn’t working and you want to confirm whther the DNS is the culprit.
Orion allows Firefox extensions and I’m sure others do as well. If you’re a nerd, love tinkering around constantly, and not your standard insta/tiktok/facebook/insert dating app user which I would argue is a huge amount of phone users. Android is the obvious choice, but only specific ones of course cuz there’s hate there too towards specific brands if you’re super nerd.
DNS ad blocking works too through VPN ad blockers (for 4-5? Years now). I don’t want to argue but every point you made makes no sense. You just didn’t do any research or are not really at the nerdom level to be so appreciative of an Android.
You only responded to two of my points.
I honestly didn’t know about Orion. The lack of alternate browser engines on iOS is still problematic though.
Cool, you refuted one more point. How about the rest? You still need an Apple account to use iOS properly - to install apps, to have automatic cloud backup (only iCloud is allowed to run in the background - and I know because I used to use Google photos, you had to have the app open to backup photos). You can’t edit the status bar to show a network speed indicator or anything else. You can’t install third party SMS, phone, or launcher apps and the FOSS environment is quite small anyway due to Apple’s walled garden with the app store and hostility to developers - It costs $99 p/a + the cost of an Apple computer to release an app to the Apple app store.
Lol, gatekeeping, much? I would argue even for noobs android is better just for the FOSS suite available and ease of switching if they do become more tech literate and start caring more about customisablity.
Any Android device is miles above an Apple device, but eg Pixels with GrapheneOS are obviously going to be superior to Samsung or Huawei phones too. On that I agree with you.
I think both are great and have nearly all of the same things. Really all I was getting at.
iCloud is a plus for me as it intertwines everything I use seamlessly. I can’t argue a point against you not wanting an apple account.
I agree with the side loading points but for me the greater argument there is what are you needing to side load and is there not something better that already exists without having to side load? I’m a super nerd and don’t have anything I need to side load but I have AltStore setup just in case I would want to.
I agree with the browser crap too. I have no issues there though either other than safari maybe being too strict on cookies at times. I have all the extensions I need, even userscripts. Shortcuts is extremely powerful these days too.
Why do I need a third party sms? I honestly don’t even know what that means? There’s tons of different apps for alternate phone numbers for texting. Or you really want to have a completely different messages app using all of the features of the Messages app? For what? Launcher apps were cool when I was flashing custom roms and stuff as a teenager.
They’re not miles above. What FOSS do you absolutely need that isn’t on iOS?
Again I find them both great… I just don’t understand the need to come in to threads and bash apple users.
As a developer: superior hardware, years ahead of Android in terms of performance. Android is way too limited in what you can do with it as a developer.
Sorry, what? Are wee talking about different operating systems? Apple is way more hostile to developers, as I described in my other comment.
Practically you simply can do a lot more on iOS, especially if you are doing things that require a lot of performance. The CPU is much, much faster, you have access to more RAM, the GPUs are more advanced. There is actually a GPU computer API that works on all phones instead of the mess on Android where there simply isn’t anything that is universally supported.
APIs are also a lot more powerful on iOS. Anything related to media, for example. You have so much more control and advanced APIs for things like the camera, dealing with video data, etc. There simply is no comparison. Android is a toy OS compared to iOS.
Google sells more of my data than Apple
None of them actually sell your data, and both of them have personnalised ads. The difference being one pretends to be a privacy warrior and the other has pretty detailed and granular privacy settings (spoiler, that’s not apple). Dont get me wrong, I dont like Google either and they probably collect and actually process personnal data than apple, but both of them are absolutely terrible and both of them absolutely know everything about you. It’s just that apple is much better at preserving a good brand image. Though one valid point I could see is that having a phone made by apple reduces the likely number of parties who have access to that data, on android, you often buy a phone from samsung or the others, and then they also have their spyware on theere
Apple collects and “phones home” more data than Google off of their smartphones
Because they are so restricted ;-) since i moved my whole family onto it, i cut support time by 90%.
I used to install custom ROMs on my android phone and spent days of my life getting everything exactly the way I wanted things.
I ended up with a clunkier version of iOS.
Ultimately I don’t need or want an open platform in my pocket. I want to be able to trust that the App Store isn’t garbage, and don’t want to have to worry about my parents easily installing viruses on their devices.